Question regarding feat/power Sehanine's Reversal

[RigaMortus2]

From the feat description

Channel Divinity: Sehanine's Reversal
Sehanine's blessing turns the powers of your enemies agaisnt them.
Encounter <> Divine
No Action Ranged 5
Trigger: You roll a natural 20 on a saving throw
Effect: Choose an enemy within range; that creature gains the condition you just saved against.
Special: You must take the Sehanine's Reversal feat to use this power.

So suppose my Cleric is Dying, which is listed as a Condition in PHB pg 277.

DYING

• You're unconscious
• You're at 0 or negative hit points.
• You make a death saving throw every round.

If I crit my own death saving throw to get back onto my feet, could I use Sehanine's Reversal to transfer the Dying condition to a monster?
If I can, would the monster get the saving throws that players normally get, or would being dropped to 0 automatically kill it?


Also:

DOMINATED

• You're dazed.
• The dominating creature chooses your action. The only powers it can make you use are at-will powers.

If I transfer the Dominated condition over to a monster, do I count as the "dominating creature"? That is, can I choose the monster's actions?

 

[Kordeth]

If I crit my own death saving throw to get back onto my feet, could I use Sehanine's Reversal to transfer the Dying condition to a monster?

Why...yes. Yes I believe you could.

If I can, would the monster get the saving throws that players normally get, or would being dropped to 0 automatically kill it?

It wouldn't be dropped to 0 hit points, I don't think, just inflicted with the "dying" condition. Even if you ruled it was dropped to 0, in the interest of fairness I'd have to say it gets to save like a PC.

Also:

If I transfer the Dominated condition over to a monster, do I count as the "dominating creature"? That is, can I choose the monster's actions?

Yes.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A death saving throw is not actually a saving throw against the dying condition.

It's a saving throw you make when you have the dying condition.

Not quite the same; since you're not making a save against a condition, there's no condition the saving throw makes you eligible to transfer with Sehanine's Reversal.

Regarding Domination - I'd assume the 'dominating creature' is still whichever creature dominated you.

-Hyp.

 

[mach1.9pants]

Man I never thought of that, by the RAW a powerful, umm, power!

edit: but i prefer hyp's hypothesis!

 

[RigaMortus2]

A death saving throw is not actually a saving throw against the dying condition.

It's a saving throw you make when you have the dying condition.

Not quite the same; since you're not making a save against a condition, there's no condition the saving throw makes you eligible to transfer with Sehanine's Reversal.

Regarding Domination - I'd assume the 'dominating creature' is still whichever creature dominated you.

-Hyp.

I usually follow most of your logic, but you lost me on this one. How is the death/dying saving throw any different from making a saving throm from blindness, or daze for example? Is there wording that makes the dying saving throw work differently?

 

[balard]

I think the monster should go dyin, that is, making death saving throws, prone and unconscious. His hps doesn't change, but if he fails the 3 saves he dies.

In the dominated part, the dominating person won't change at all. With is very powerfull anyway. Even if you use it in the dominating person, she is dazed and can't use most of its attacks.

 

[Yaezakura]

I usually follow most of your logic, but you lost me on this one. How is the death/dying saving throw any different from making a saving throm from blindness, or daze for example? Is there wording that makes the dying saving throw work differently?

Yes, there is.

For one, you don't make a "Saving Throw" when dying. You make a "Death Saving Throw". For another, the mechanics of a Death Saving Throw are entirely different than those of a normal Saving Throw, so there's really no confusing one for another.

And considering Sehanine's Reversal doesn't mention anything about Death Saving Throws, I doubt very seriously it's able to bounce back the Dying condition.

 

[jdpacheco]

I usually follow most of your logic, but you lost me on this one. How is the death/dying saving throw any different from making a saving throm from blindness, or daze for example? Is there wording that makes the dying saving throw work differently?

Dying
* You're unconscious
* You're at 0 or negative hit points.
* You make a death saving throw every round

Dying is the condition. The saving throw isn't against the Dying condition, it's a "Death Saving Throw". There's actually no condition to be transfered as the saving throw and the condition have be separated, and are only rejoined by the fact that you make one while you are the other.