Questions about sneak attacks

[Dandu]

"...Why do people always try and assign True Seeing more power than it's explicitly listed as having? It already completely and utterly screws over an entire school of magic. What, that's not good enough?"

No. Shadowdancers must suffer.

On a more serious note, the statement "True Seeing allows subjects to see all things as they actually are" cannot be taken at face value, because then you'd be able to see why kids like Cinnamon Toast Crunch, all the colors of the wind, and why people listen to Lady Gaga.

 

[El Mahdi]

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[El Mahdi]

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[billd91]

Umm, No.

Blindsigt just makes invisibility not applicable in the situation. It doesn't trump or negate anything. The Invisibility is still there, and if the creature with Blindsight was trying to "Look" at the invisible creature, they still wouldn't see it. Blindsight simply uses other senses than vision. The extraordinary power of Blindsight, didn't beat the supernatural ability, it just makes it not applicable.

That's where you're not realizing the context. Blindsight makes invisibility irrelevant to the creature with blindsight. That's the trump. The invisibility still applies to other observers, it just has no appreciable effect on the creature with blindsight. That's how an extraordinary power makes a supernatural power irrelevant - it doesn't matter the differing sources of the two abilities. They do not form a hierarchy of power. It is their specific qualities that matter.

The same is true for HiPS that relies on shadows and darkvision. The shadowdancer can still hide in plain sight and, assuming they don't blow the hide roll, be hidden to some observers who do not have darkvision. The power isn't negated at all, it's just irrelevant to a particular observer with a particular ability.

 

[pawsplay]

To me, it comes down to what the rules say. We can make the fluff say anything we want.

e.g. "The shadowdancer communes with darkness and uses its power to become less visible. Even should the darkness be penetrated by magic, the shadowdancer remains hidden by its essence."

e.g. "The shadowdancer blends with shadow. Soemone with true seeing could choose to ignore the darkness, but in doing so, they become unable to see the shadowdancer as well, who is non-magically blended with it. It would be like trying to read a sign written half in in illusion and half in ink and ignoring the illusion."

The rules don't specify concealment, they specify the presence of shadow.

 

[pawsplay]

No. Shadowdancers must suffer.

On a more serious note, the statement "True Seeing allows subjects to see all things as they actually are" cannot be taken at face value, because then you'd be able to see why kids like Cinnamon Toast Crunch, all the colors of the wind, and why people listen to Lady Gaga.

"Casting true seeing, you suddenly discern that the NPC you are talking to is boring and inconsequential to the plot."

"Casting true seeing, you recognize that rust is composed primarily of oxidized iron, and suddenly realize that the four elements are not the building blocks of the universe, but some kind of cultural construct."

"You suddenly notice that the greatclub is an inferior weapon in terms of damage and crit capability, when you take into account its handedness and required proficiency."

 

[Jhaelen]

"Casting true seeing, you suddenly discern that the NPC you are talking to is boring and inconsequential to the plot."

"Casting true seeing, you recognize that rust is composed primarily of oxidized iron, and suddenly realize that the four elements are not the building blocks of the universe, but some kind of cultural construct."

"You suddenly notice that the greatclub is an inferior weapon in terms of damage and crit capability, when you take into account its handedness and required proficiency."

Funny! Or even:

You suddenly realize that you're all just characters in a roleplaying game, nothing you see is actually real!