quick Dominate question

[dragonwarriorfan]

I successfully dominate a flying creature. Can I pull it into a spiked pit to take damage? I think I can, so long as the creature gets a save, correct? Thanks!

 

[the Jester]

You don't pull it, but there's no reason why you couldn't have it either fly into the pit or stop flying over the pit (and fall).

 

[dragonwarriorfan]

If I had him fly into the pit, would he still get a save?

 

[aco175]

I thought there was something about a save when faced with certain death, or even high damage could be perceved as maybe dying from it. Something in the text about haveing the target "Run in and kill the dragon", would not work, but "Hold it off for a round or two", would.

I would be hard pressed to not allow a save for telling it to "Fly into the spikes, my friend".

 

[OnlineDM]

Rules Compendium, top of page 231, second sentence:

If the dominator tries to force the creature to throw itself into a pit or move into some other form of hindering terrain, the creature gets a saving throw to resist entering the terrain.

I don't think it gets much clearer than that! You can have it move into the spikes, but it gets a saving throw to resist doing so.

 

[pemerton]

Something in the text about haveing the target "Run in and kill the dragon", would not work, but "Hold it off for a round or two", would.

This is in the rules text for the Suggestion spell in AD&D 1st ed PHB (it may have made it into later editions also, but I don't think it appears in 4e).

 

[aco175]

This is in the rules text for the Suggestion spell in AD&D 1st ed PHB (it may have made it into later editions also, but I don't think it appears in 4e).

That is a way lot of D&D ago. I must of read it lately, I don't think my memory is that good.

I do remember an old dm of mine kept coming up with these cool ideas for stories that he had thought of, only to have anotehr player say," That reminds me of the episode from Star Trek", or some other tv show. Goes to the philosophy debate about original thought and such.