5E Race choice for pure Hexblade build

Benny89

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Stat rolls 18, 14, 16, 8, 10, 12

Pure Hexblade build, no multiclass. We start at level 4, probably play to level 10 at most.

I have two choices:

One a classic Vuman with PAM, GWM + 18 CHA on level 4, attacking with advantage with +3 (+8 - 5 from GWM) with Pact Glaive +1. From level 5 I have 3 attacks with GWM and on level 8- +2 CHA for 20 CHA and I am done.

Other one is Half-Elf drow with GWM (and later Elven Accuracy) and 20 CHA on level 4, attacking with advantage with +4 (+9 - 5 from GWM). However to get Elven Accuracy I have to wait till level 8 so max I will attack till level 8 is 2 attacks with advantage. From level 8 I will have two attacks with super advantage but Vuman will have 3 attacks with 20 CHA on level 8.

Darkness on Half-Elf is nice but both will switch to using Shadow of Moil anyway.

Since game is till level 10, I think Vuman is better choice as he comes online faster and allows to have 3 attacks from level 4. Even if we see level 12- he would still come ahead as he could take Resilence (CON) and have concentration effects much longer vs half-elf who would pick PAM on level 12.

I like Half-Elf Elven Accuracy, however I think that PAM is just too good to skip on pure Hexblade.
 

Blue

Double sized Hobbit
You never rolled those stats. Only even from 8 to 18... very unlikely with 4d6 drop lowest.
Glad to see I'm not the only person who notices things like that. So ... ANYDICE to the rescue.

Assuming 4d6 drop the lowest, rolling 6 times

The chance the highest is an 18 is 9.34%. Pretty good.

The chance the second highest is a 16 is 13.55%

Third highest being a 14 is 22.17%

Fourth highest being a 12 is 25.76%

Fifth highest being a 10 is 22.74%

Lowest being an 8 is 14.17%

So, total odd for this roll are: 0.00233%

Of course, any particular roll is low. The most likely individual set is: 16, 14, 13, 12, 11, 9. But that's still only a 0.02273% chance - almost 10 times as likely, but still any individual roll is unlikely.

https://anydice.com/program/3eff
 

UngeheuerLich

Adventurer
Glad to see I'm not the only person who notices things like that. So ... ANYDICE to the rescue.

Assuming 4d6 drop the lowest, rolling 6 times

The chance the highest is an 18 is 9.34%. Pretty good.

The chance the second highest is a 16 is 13.55%

Third highest being a 14 is 22.17%

Fourth highest being a 12 is 25.76%

Fifth highest being a 10 is 22.74%

Lowest being an 8 is 14.17%

So, total odd for this roll are: 0.00233%

Of course, any particular roll is low. The most likely individual set is: 16, 14, 13, 12, 11, 9. But that's still only a 0.02273% chance - almost 10 times as likely, but still any individual roll is unlikely.

https://anydice.com/program/3eff
Of course every individual roll is unlikely, but those stats are not only unlikely, but perfectly alligned. There is a high probability that such a roll is faked... although it is so obvious that it might be a lucky roll anyway... ;)

I really like my students giving me two set of rolls. One of them actually rolled in order, one of them made up (as rolled in order). It is quite easy to find out, which one is the fake one.

Hint: I would rather accept a set of 18,17,15,14,12,12 than this one.
 

Blue

Double sized Hobbit
Of course every individual roll is unlikely, but those stats are not only unlikely, but perfectly alligned. There is a high probability that such a roll is faked... although it is so obvious that it might be a lucky roll anyway... ;)

I really like my students giving me two set of rolls. One of them actually rolled in order, one of them made up (as rolled in order). It is quite easy to find out, which one is the fake one.

Hint: I would rather accept a set of 18,17,15,14,12,12 than this one.
I hear you.

Though I tell you, I play in a group of 30-50 years olds, and some of us use point buy (like myself) and some roll. Not a single one of the rolled sets did not start with an (or at least one!) 18 before racial mods.

*shaking my head*

On the other hand I'm teaching my daughters 5e, and one didn't want to be human (base, not allowing variant) because she had two 9s that she thought would be more interesting to RP then if they became boring 10s.

Really shows the difference between the old school "we win if we survive and succeed in our mission" mentality and the "we win if we have fun even if our characters lose" mentality. I am still trying to train myself out of the former as a player, played the 80s and 90s with more-adversarial-than-not DMs.
 
Of course every individual roll is unlikely, but those stats are not only unlikely, but perfectly alligned. There is a high probability that such a roll is faked... although it is so obvious that it might be a lucky roll anyway... ;)

I really like my students giving me two set of rolls. One of them actually rolled in order, one of them made up (as rolled in order). It is quite easy to find out, which one is the fake one.

Hint: I would rather accept a set of 18,17,15,14,12,12 than this one.
Why assume it was an in-order roll?
 
Stat rolls 18, 14, 16, 8, 10, 12

Pure Hexblade build, no multiclass. We start at level 4, probably play to level 10 at most.

I have two choices:

One a classic Vuman with PAM, GWM + 18 CHA on level 4, attacking with advantage with +3 (+8 - 5 from GWM) with Pact Glaive +1. From level 5 I have 3 attacks with GWM and on level 8- +2 CHA for 20 CHA and I am done.

Other one is Half-Elf drow with GWM (and later Elven Accuracy) and 20 CHA on level 4, attacking with advantage with +4 (+9 - 5 from GWM). However to get Elven Accuracy I have to wait till level 8 so max I will attack till level 8 is 2 attacks with advantage. From level 8 I will have two attacks with super advantage but Vuman will have 3 attacks with 20 CHA on level 8.

Darkness on Half-Elf is nice but both will switch to using Shadow of Moil anyway.

Since game is till level 10, I think Vuman is better choice as he comes online faster and allows to have 3 attacks from level 4. Even if we see level 12- he would still come ahead as he could take Resilence (CON) and have concentration effects much longer vs half-elf who would pick PAM on level 12.

I like Half-Elf Elven Accuracy, however I think that PAM is just too good to skip on pure Hexblade.
Since you can get such a high charisma so early I have a different suggestion.

Be a half-elf. Max Charisma at level 4. Take Cloak of Flies invocation and the extra attack invocation at level 5. Use a great sword.

Doing 5 auto damage to everything around you will be very strong. Opening up the fight with blur + that will be very strong. In fights you don't use that just use hex and swing that great sword for really solid damage.
 
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Why assume I did assume that? With those rolls its not necessary. For my test with students, it is.
No assumption. You claimed they were.

“Of course every individual roll is unlikely, but those stats are not only unlikely, but perfectly alligned. There is a high probability that such a roll is faked... “
 

UngeheuerLich

Adventurer
No assumption. You claimed they were.

“Of course every individual roll is unlikely, but those stats are not only unlikely, but perfectly alligned. There is a high probability that such a roll is faked... “
Nope. That quote does not imply that I assumed they were rolled in order.
 

UngeheuerLich

Adventurer
Yes it does. Words have meanings.
But not as you think sometimes. You read more into it as I said.
You think "aligned" refers to rolling in order? Nope. The alignment could have happened after arranging a set of rolls like 12, 14, 16, 10, 8, 18 from highest to lowest.
After the arrangement they do align perfectly. If one of them was odd, they would not.

So no. Never implied rolling in order. But actually it does not matter. The probability of rolling them not in order is 720 times higher but still not high by any standard.
(Blue´s calculation should be for "rolled not in order" already.)
 
But not as you think sometimes. You read more into it as I said.
You think "aligned" refers to rolling in order? Nope. The alignment could have happened after arranging a set of rolls like 12, 14, 16, 10, 8, 18 from highest to lowest.
After the arrangement they do align perfectly. If one of them was odd, they would not.

So no. Never implied rolling in order. But actually it does not matter. The probability of rolling them not in order is 720 times higher but still not high by any standard.
(Blue´s calculation should be for "rolled not in order" already.)
The rolls weren’t in order highest to lowest either. I’ll give ya a chance though. What do you mean when you say aligned? Because at this time I can make no sense out of that comment except that aligned = in order
 

UngeheuerLich

Adventurer
Sounds like someone that doesn’t want to admit they were wrong
No. But I don´t want to explain myself again. Please accept that we had some communication problem and accept that I did not want to imply that it was rolled in order.

And it is just not important enough to argue over semantics. Especially not in a foreign language. So please just drop it.

Just for reference: that is what align means in German. Nothing implys "rolling in order" except for the last bullet point maybe.
The second last bullet point "justiert" could also be translated with adjusted... the thrid last with "reconciled"... but I thought aligned would have been the better translation.

aligned

ausgerichtet adj
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angepasst adj
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abgeglichen adj
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justiert adj
·

in eine Linie gebracht
 
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