D&D 5E Races and classes

[doctorbadwolf]

Yep, this just shows 5E has WAY too much crap now and with Tasha's has officially entered the splat-book/junk phase.

Bring on 6E now and let's get back to sanity.

Coming from someone who often talks about leaving 5e soon because it doesn’t do what you want... not a compelling set of statements.

No thanks.

 

[DND_Reborn]

Review them in what way? 5e's a solid system, nothing's particularly broken until the very VERY late game, at which point if its not broken it shouldn't even be there.. Just ask the player to sell its fluff to you and go from there.

Not really. There is a lot of crap in 5E I don't want in my game. And WotC just keeps adding more and more of that crap IMO. If you don't agree, that's fine, but just respect that is how I feel instead of questioning it again? Thanks.

 

[Charlaquin]

Unreal.

you might not like some content but if someone says 5e has not put out player options....

that is an absurdly huge amount of stuff....

Yeah, but most of it has very little actual impact on gameplay. A fighter is a fighter, giving me a handful of different abilities, half of which the campaign will be over before I even get, you have only given me more options in a very literal sense. In terms of meaningful options though, you have done very little,

 

[DND_Reborn]

Except that the direction they're going is ever more flexibility so I'm not sure it would fix the issues you see. Personally I have no problem saying "no" so the fact that now you can play an anthropomorphic turtle doesn't really bother me.

But I get it, bloat happens. Just not sure a new release would fix anything for more than a couple of years.

You're probably right. I am more inclined to believe eventually I'll go back to AD&D if I can find players or just stop playing D&D or maybe stop playing RPGs altogether? We'll see.

I am hopeful that a 6E will have new design and mechanics that will appeal to me. If it doesn't, no biggie, I just won't get into it. I wouldn't have gotten into 5E except the guy who asked me to start running a game had already looked into it.

 

[DND_Reborn]

In terms of meaningful options though, you have done very little,

LOL that is part of it-- because it has so little meaning, why bother? shrug

 

[Warpiglet-7]

Yeah, but most of it has very little actual impact on gameplay. A fighter is a fighter, giving me a handful of different abilities, half of which the campaign will be over before I even get, you have only given me more options in a very literal sense. In terms of meaningful options though, you have done very little,

I probably prefer a focus on the roleplay in terms of differences.

d6 damage is d6 damage. Is it area of effect or single target? You are correct about that.

but I cannot say my experience playing a fiend patron warlock vs a celestial patron warlock seemed too samey samey.

or a conquest Paladin vs a devotion Paladin...if people are feeling those aren’t differentiated enough it’s probably the over focus on some aspects.

you surely have a right to your preferences. You cannot be wrong. I just have a different experience than that.

even spell selection...I take some spells in groups of themes. Sure I can raise a skeleton army with a LG cleric of pelor but I probably would make a different play experience with this character than say a cleric of wee jas. Especially if the former is a blaster with fireball and the latter is a brawler with gfb and spiritual weapon.

literally everyone’s mileage may vary. And that is ok. Personally though, tacking on extra mechanics a la prestige classes is not desirable for me.

 

[BookTenTiger]

When I look at this list, it makes me really excited! I love tons of options like this.

The only thing that makes me sad is that all of these choices happen within the first 1 - 3 levels. Feats differentiate characters a bit at 4th and 8th, but I do wish there was a big subclass-level choice that happened around levels 10 - 12.

 

[DND_Reborn]

I do wish there was a big subclass-level choice that happened around levels 10 - 12.

I do miss prestige classes.

 

[Shiroiken]

1. It focuses on the PCs and builds instead of just enjoying the adventure.
2. It leads to too many features for the PCs and analysis-paralysis.

These issues only exist at character creation and when choosing your sub-class/archetype. If using Feats it might cause a bit of issue, but they've carefully limited feats.

3. Players get new books and want to use features so I now have to review them to see if I want to allow them.
4. Players get disappointed when they want to do/play something that I don't want in the game.

Then these players don't understand the way the game works. Not everything is appropriate in every campaign/game, and it says so early in the PHB. Not to mention that all the character options outside of the PHB are specifically optional for the DM.

5. WotC focuses on more splat to make money instead of addressing issues in 5E. (Hopefully they are already developing 6E...).
and there are probably more, those are just the main points for me.

One: they've made 2 "splat books" in 6 years, not counting setting specific books. The setting books are supposed to be for those settings, and a DM allowing them outside of them does so at their own risk.

Two: WotC is a business, and the purpose of a business is to make money. If they wanted to do what you claim they're doing, they'd go back to the 3E model of dropping something every month or so. Instead they've slowly increased the products from 3 per year to about 5 per year. If WotC didn't focus on making money, there wouldn't be any new products, since the game would be dead.

Three: yes 5E has some problems, but they have worked to solve those problems. One thing to consider is that what you consider a problem isn't a problem for others. The playtest set 5E to appeal to the largest number of people possible, and that means that it isn't going to fit perfectly for most people. It might not even appeal to you at all, in which case you're far better off finding an RPG that suits your needs. There's nothing wrong with that, as there are plenty of excellent RPGs out there.

 

[Sword of Spirit]

And there are other reasons I want a 6E, to me this is just a road sign that it is time for a new edition to be in the works. I am not expecting one for at least a couple more years, though.

I think you will be very disappointed with how long this edition will last. The designers have basically told us from the beginning of 5e that they are no longer intending to do the quick edition cycle thing (that only started with 3e). Now, there have been changes in personnel, but in the past there was at least talk of not having a new edition again: just making backwards compatible material.

Regardless of whether a 6e ever comes to be, I think it will be a minimum of six years more of the current edition.