D&D 5E (2024) Ranged Builds Thread

[CptMetal]

Dang.
Why word CBE like that if the ammunition property ducks it up again?

 

[FrogReaver]

Dang.
Why word CBE like that if the ammunition property ducks it up again?

IMO not sure.

2014 had a weird loophole where you could bonus action attack while holding a single hand crossbow by RAW. But without that it appears there’s little reason to dual wield anything and a hand crossbow.

 

[CptMetal]

I read it again and CBE expert says:
"You ignore the loading property of the Hand crossbow, heavy crossbow and light crossbow (...)."
So I ignore the loading property that would otherwise limit me to one attack per round.
"If you are holding one of them, you can load a piece of ammunition into it even if you lack a free hand."
So I do not need a second free hand. Ergo: Dual hand-crossbow-party-time!

 

[FrogReaver]

"If you are holding one of them, you can load a piece of ammunition into it even if you lack a free hand."

Where is this line?

Also please quote the rule for the ammunition property.

 

[FrogReaver]

Here’s the relevant line from the ammunition property

From Roll20
“Drawing the ammunition is part of the attack (you need a free hand to load a one-handed weapon)”

All the loading property does is

From Roll20
“You can fire only one piece of ammunition from a Loading weapon when you use an action, a Bonus Action, or a Reaction to fire it, regardless of the number of attacks you can normally make.”

Note: the only thing the CBE feat lets you ignore is the loading property and not the ammunition property.

 

[CptMetal]

No. CBE does two things.
It let's you ignore the loading property with this sentence:
"You ignore the loading property of the Hand crossbow, heavy crossbow and light crossbow (...)."
So I ignore the loading propert. Just like you said. The loading property restricts the amount of attacks per turn.

The next line of CBE says:
"If you are holding one of them, you can load a piece of ammunition into it even if you lack a free hand."
And that let's me ignore the part of the ammunition rules that says I need a free hand.

Seems clear to me.

 

[CptMetal]

Note that it does not say that I ignore the ammunition property, because that would mean conjuring ammunition out of thin air.
So it 'only' says that I can load a piece of ammunition without needing a free hand.

 

[FrogReaver]

No. CBE does two things.
It let's you ignore the loading property with this sentence:
"You ignore the loading property of the Hand crossbow, heavy crossbow and light crossbow (...)."
So I ignore the loading propert. Just like you said. The loading property restricts the amount of attacks per turn.

The next line of CBE says:
"If you are holding one of them, you can load a piece of ammunition into it even if you lack a free hand."
And that let's me ignore the part of the ammunition rules that says I need a free hand.

Seems clear to me.

You’ve convinced me.

 

[ECMO3]

nm

 

[CptMetal]

The future DM just told me that we all get a free feat and start with level 5.

I'm hesitant to build the dual hand crossbow champion, because a critical hit just adds 1D6

Does anybody have another idea?
Maybe an eldritch knight with the free feat as +2 INT?
And Assimar to fly above an enemy and shoot him dead?
Orc better an orc, to increase the range I can see at night since it is an Innistrad inspired world (gothic horror with vampires, werewolves etc).

STR 15+1
DEX 13+1
CON 12

INT 14+2+2
CHA 8
WIS 10

Guard: +2 INT +1STR & Alert
Free feat: +2 INT
Fear at level 4: Crossbow expert

The problem is that the multi attack cannot yet be combined with true strike

The party will have a cleric and the third will be either a barbarian or a monk or a bard (depending on what I take).