Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[Brother Shatterstone]

But I'd have to be feeling really generous to give Empire (easily the best Star Wars movie) better than a 7, and really nasty to give Phantom Menace a 4.

A seven for Empire... Why so harsh, Dave?

 

[Orius]

For me it was the flow of the movie, too much cutting back and forth. I didnt get the feeling that 9 months for the pregnancy had gone by more like 2 weeks at most.

The pacing was a little too fast in some parts. I get the feeling that the events in the movie cover at least 6 months or so, but it feels a lot fast than that because everything goes by so fast.

 

[Orius]

No, it was only a skeleton. It does call into how the got the second one operational so quickly, either they were simply more capable of building such a thing by that point or it was started before the first one was destroyed.

I think perhaps development of the planet destroying superlaser might be the factor that accounts for the differences. In A New Hope, Han clearly believes that the Empire can't possibly destroy an entire world, even with their entire fleet of Star Destroyers. It's possible then engineering behind such a weapon was difficult enough to delay the construction of the first Death star nearly 18 years. It also connects better to the background material about the Death Star in the the Jedi Academy trilogy (even if KJA's writing isn't the greatest). By RotJ, they've already built one before so they know how they work, and so a fully functional Death Star is partially completed after only a year or so.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I think that it tied Vader to him for as long as it did. Why would an all powerful self-serving Sith serve an inferior master for so long? If he had the hope that she was alive and sought her out, or if she was alive, he would have tried to grant her the government she dreamed of in episode II. If he found her dead and the kids, he would have had reason to live for himself and them and would again have taken down the emperor in his own rise to power.

But crushed like that, betrayed by all, and stripped of everything, he became naught but the hound of the Emperor until his son gave him something he cared about again. And he destroys the Emperor... The Emperor is doomed in any situation that Anakin has something to live for.

Actually Lucas says in the commentary to one of the first trilogy flicks that Vader would have been more powerful than Palpatine if he hadn't had so much of his body replaced by machine parts, limiting his control over the force. So at that point he needed Luke to help him defeat Sideous according to Lucas. Based on that I was suprised he didn't lose more of his body, but then again who knows if his lungs and stuff were replaced or what.


I gave the movie a 9. I loved the saber fights, I loved the action, I loved just about all of it. The acting was typical of the Star Wars franchise, but I thought the plot was great. The final fight was excellent, and Darth Sideous was great. I thought the Frankenstein scene with Vader was great, he stumbles to his feet as he learns to walk anew with robotic legs...and screams with anguish as he realized he lost everything. Excellent. And as others have said, the look on his face as the mask is lowered is great. He is a shattered person at that point. As he screams "Nooooooooooo" as Sideous tells him Padme is dead, the last of Anakin Skywalker dies except for a tiny part hidden deep inside him, a tiny flicker that is nearly invisible. Only Luke can see it and bring it out.

Easily the most fun I've had at the theater in a long, long time. Saw it with my brother and two friends, who are SW fans, but not fanboys. They really liked it too. I'm going to see it again next week.

 

[Orius]

Heck, Anakin's not even the only Jedi in all black; I don't remember their names, but the two Jedi women who are always together, the master and student - they're decked out in black.

Luke Skywalker.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

I actually found RotS to be very EU friendly actually. They left a wide loophole for Jedi to escape the purges and go into hiding, like those exiles who appear in the EU. Palpatine's whole "secret of immortality" even validates Dark Empire.

But Dark Empire invalidates Return of the Jedi in that it renders Vader's final action hollow and makes it so he does not fufull the prophecy by destroying the Sith. In fact I'm positive that Lucas states that Vader kill the Emperor. When he kill the Emperor, then turns back to the lightside the Sith are no more, the prophecy has been fufilled. I'd say that the Emperor is lying about the immortality thing since he knows that is THE hook he needs to get Anakin to turn.

A lot of EU is horrid, but Dark Empire is the worst of the lot.

 

[drothgery]

A seven for Empire... Why so harsh, Dave?

Because a 7 is what I rate a good, fun movie that's not really outstanding in any way. I'm harsh on everything; Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers are the only sci-fi/fantasy films I've seen that I'd even consider giving a 10.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

Because a 7 is what I rate a good, fun movie that's not really outstanding in any way. I'm harsh on everything; Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers are the only sci-fi/fantasy films I've seen that I'd even consider giving a 10.

Haven't seen them, I keep telling myself I make it through the books first...

I am shocked though, I thought you where a fairly big star wars fan, in the non-fanatical sense, and empire is listed as the 12 best movie ever made on IMDB.

 

[Trickstergod]

Luke Skywalker.

...wasn't mentioned as he's kicking about well after the Jedi Order is nearly destroyed and it's unlikely Yoda or Obi-Wan bothered giving him any sort of uniform tips. Not to mention Luke's also treading the Dark Side by that point.

 

[Darrin Drader]

I couldn't stand Anakin in Episode I, and I really got annoyed with the angsty teen in episode II. Damn you Lucas for making me finally like the guy, right before you kill him off! (well, close enough)