Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

[Brother Shatterstone]

wait... after watching the original trilogy, and knowing that the prequels would be about the fall on Anakin, instead of some epic fall from grace, with a noble young hero doing the wrong things for the right reasons or feeling such deep betrayal that he felt he had no choice but to turn to the dark side and embraced evil in righteous anger, you envisioned a whiny bratty kid who felt he wasnt getting enough respect from the old people and had nightmares about his trophy wife dying?

AMG and others, myself included, are well versed in the Star Wars... I see little reason to belittle our opinions.

 

[Droogie]

Takyris,

From the sound of it, you are a serious writer with a degree of talent that most of us don't possess, and you don't care for visuals. Based on this short profile, I'm not surprised that you didn't like the film.

You are also a martial artist, so I can see why you would view the fight choreography in ANY film with a hyper-critical eye, which is to be expected, I suppose. From what I understand, most stage fighting is designed to look exciting rather than realistic; a theater guy I once knew said that if someone tried to fence in real life like they do in the movies, it would be analogous to a boxer fighting his opponent with his arms outstretched to his sides with his hands open.

I'm not trying to make you like the film. Why would I? - I guess my point, which is also one of yours, is 'different strokes' for different folks', and you and Episode III are a bad match. I'm sorry you wasted your 10 bucks.

 

[takyris]

Takyris,

From the sound of it, you are a serious writer with a degree of talent that most of us don't possess, and you don't care for visuals. Based on this short profile, I'm not surprised that you didn't like the film.

Serious writer, yes. Degree of talent... eh. We'll see. I'm just gonna own the snobbiness of being hard to impress and easy to let down with dialogue.

And yeah. My geek buddies are always confused when I say that I'll wait for the movie to come out on DVD, so that I can watch it at home on my small screen and non-stereo speakers... with the subtitles turned on.

You are also a martial artist, so I can see why you would view the fight choreography in ANY film with a hyper-critical eye, which is to be expected, I suppose. From what I understand, most stage fighting is designed to look exciting rather than realistic; a theater guy I once knew said that if someone tried to fence in real life like they do in the movies, it would be analogous to a boxer fighting his opponent with his arms outstretched to his sides with his hands open.

Definitely true. That's also probably why I only noticed it in saber-to-saber fights. My experience with dodging blaster shots from droids is... limited.

But I do like cinematic fights. I loved the fights in "Pirates of the Caribbean", and I loved the the big Darth Maul/Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan fight in Ep1. Heck, it was awhile ago, so I might not like it today, but I even remember liking the fights in the Kevin Costner Robin-Hood movie. I don't remember thinking that the man was going to be a fighting legend, but I remember thinking that he really wanted to kill the bad guy.

I'm not trying to make you like the film. Why would I? - I guess my point, which is also one of yours, is 'different strokes' for different folks', and you and Episode III are a bad match. I'm sorry you wasted your 10 bucks.

I honestly think I'd rate it higher if I hadn't seen all the early praise for it that got my hopes too far up. Probably a good reason for me to avoid spoilers in the future.

And fortunately, Bioware rented out a theater and took all the employees Tuesday morning, so it wasn't my 10 bucks.

But you are totally right -- different strokes for different folks. Anybody who is happy with their 10-buck-expenditure made a smart decision.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

As long as they're not calling out individual posters I doubt that would happen, ENworld is a very friendly place after all.

Its just very hard to figure out how someone’s 9, in my case, could be someone else’s 4, at least I think that’s what you gave it but I apologize if I’m wrong. I would rather not come off argumentative and most people on the internet have already made there opinions and your not going to change them that its very hard to reply to post that are so different.

I am sorry you didn’t like the movie but the old saying that you can’t please everyone is very true it seems.

That's so very true. What I think is different from what the next person thinks. I think it rates about as high as the LOTR films for quality. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie and so did my friends who went with me to see it.

 

[Lazybones]

It looks like the consensus was that the movie was good to great.

I gave it a 7, but after reading the posts here (and I think takyris makes great points), I think that my rating is conditional on the following assumptions:

• If I hadn't recently seen Ep.1 and Ep.2 again, it probably would have been 6; and
• If it hadn't been "Star Wars", and set in the context of Eps.4-6, it probably would have been a 5.

I guess I should explain my comment a bit. I agreed with takyris on almost all of his points; the dialogue, the fights, the illogical plot developments. My group's comments afterwards were mocks of the dialogue between Anakin and Padme, comments like, "So Anakin fell because he couldn't get a good OB-GYN," and so on. I thought it unconvincing that Anakin went from brooding youth (basically an okay guy, if full of himself) to slaughtering children in the course of an hour. I also felt that there were too many "silly" bits in the serious action-drama scenes (pretty much anything featuring R2-D2 was like this), but I know that this is a Lucas hallmark so I let it slide. Some things were illogical enough to be distracting; the little droids that crawl over your ship cutting it up (why not just put a little bomb in them?), the "ray shields", the "high ground", the "lost the will to live". I think I'll stop my list now before I talk myself down to takyris's 4.

I did appreciate the cool elements that made reference to events later in Ep.4, and I think they resolved everything well enough so that it all fit together in the context of the four movies. The special effects were great, the action pretty good. But while I gave it a "C" mark, I can't call it a good movie. I won't be getting the DVD but I may watch it again on its broadcast premiere.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I had a tremendous amount of fun watching it in the theater. I am very hard pressed to think of the last time I had that much fun at a movie, even though at times I felt very sad for some of the characters. I never wondered if it was going to be over soon as I did in a couple of other highly touted movies of recent past. I thought the plot was fine. It all clicked for me. Dialogue is secondary to plot and overall story for me so I was fine there too, but even I won't say that the dialogue was great, it was Star Wars dialogue.

So for me it was a great movie. I plan to go see it at least twice more at the theater before I buy the DVD. And I usually don't go see movies at the theater more than once anymore. YMMV of course.

I had fun watching it in the theater as well! The action kept coming so fast that we didn't have time to think, how much of this is left? We were engrossed *that* much!

Slacker, I saw it twice on opening day, of course the second time was with family and seeing as how my brother came all the way from Vermont, how could I not?

I saw it TWICE. On opening day! Both the midnight showing and that night as well! I even went on a four-hour round trip to get a friend from the other side of Charlotte so he could experience it with a bunch of fans (the midnight showing) and again that evening with a different group of friends (who were also fans but not "fan enough" to go to the midnight showing! ). He thoroughly enjoyed it as well, getting totally engrossed in the story and then "jamming out" on the soundtrack afterwards!

 

[Darth K'Trava]

I've heard that audiences laughed at the Anakin/Padme "You're so beautiful" exchange. No one did in the audience I was in, however they did laugh when Yoda said, "Good relations with the Wookies, I have." I guess everyone was imagining a Yoda/Chewbacca sex tape. It would explain why he missed him so much.

I wonder how long it'll take before people start writing that slash.....

The one point where it really stood out was Sidious vs Mace and the 3 other Jedi. After Sidious drew his lightsaber and leapt at them, the 3 just stood there like idiots. I don't think they even raised their weapons before he cut them down.

I think they were more WFT? than anything at that point... shocked to see the Chancellor suddenly draw a lightsaber... The shock that cost 2 their lives.... the third did get in a few swings before he too went down. Then it was the more epic type fight between Palpatine and Mace.

 

[Testament]

Yikes. It rears its head again. This has NOTHING to do with casting. He was WRITTEN as a whiny, bitchy, unmasculine, flip-flopping, angry bratty kid. Hayden did an EXCELLENT job of portraying the angry bratty kid. The fact that none of us wanted Darth Vader to be an angry bratty kid doesn't mean Hayden can't act.

I feel bad for this poor kid. His career is gonna be destroyed from people that can't seperate his acting from the script.

Damn straight. I will say this though, Hayden Christensen is a good actor. Don't believe me, then go see "Shattered Glass".

 

[Wayside]

Definitely true. That's also probably why I only noticed it in saber-to-saber fights. My experience with dodging blaster shots from droids is... limited.

We don't have any equivalent style of combat though. The weightlessness of sabers, coupled with the fact that they can cut someone in half without much application of pressure, would make realistic saber battles mostly uninteresting, from a spectator's point of view. I think Ep III actually had the first realistic use of sabers so far in all of Star Wars, which was when Anakin cut off Dooku's hands, and then later when Obi-wan similarly removed one of Grevious'. They're light, they're fast, and you don't need strength to use them to maximum effect. So I can buy the objection to some of the choreography I guess (swinging at a defense that's already been raised and all), but if you really want to stake out that position why not go all the way and force the saber battles to be totally uninteresting? Realistically, you'd never see an exaggerated movement from a Jedi because they don't need to gather any momentum to do lethal damage, so a real saber fight wouldn't have anything in the way of broad swinging at all; it should stay mostly centered and consist of quick searching movements toward the other guy's hands.

 

[ddvmor]

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I think they were more WFT? than anything at that point... shocked to see the Chancellor suddenly draw a lightsaber... The shock that cost 2 their lives.... the third did get in a few swings before he too went down. Then it was the more epic type fight between Palpatine and Mace.

Or of course, Palpatine could have been using some of his Dark Side Mojo to cause a moment of confusion in which to launch his attack. I don't recall Windu doing much more than standing there looking confused, either.