Rate Revenge of the Sith *SPOILERS*

Rate Revenge of the Sith

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In honour of Finland's Eurovision Song Contest entry, I give this movie zero points.

And really, Geir Rönning's performance is the better of the two. At least it only wastes a few minutes of the watcher's time. The movie was like a bad D&D game, with tired players who can't immerse themselves in character and an immature DM who railroads his favourite plot without regard for logic, the characters, or the internal consistency of the setting.

I could go on for a bit about this, but I broke my SoD button around halfway through the movie and must go get a new one.
 
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stevelabny said:
this is insane. people bash and bash phantom menace. which at the very least has one of the best fight scenes in movie history. they think attack of the clones is ok even though its not. and they love this piece of trash?

yikes.

this is the movie where its all supposed to come together...

and it doesnt.

[sblock] it falls flat on its face. the action sequences are lame.
the characters have no motive for anything. the jedi are all revealed to be incredibly stupid (even more so than we suspectd) and they even get taken out in battle in 6 seconds or less. some, by stormtroopers. [/sblock]

can the original author please put the spoiler tag on this thread now so everyone doesnt have to hide their conversation about the movie?



I think you missed something, maybe you should see the movie again when you are more alert.
 


John Crichton said:
Interesting that the scene in question didn't work for you. It totally rocked me. The Vader helmet-view and seeing for one quick moment that Anakin was a bit scared and didn't like what he had become was telling. Seeing him stumble, like a newborn animal, showed that he had to grow into his new legs and had become a completely different person: no longer Anakin. The scream was chilling and at the same time sad. I could see that this was the same character who from now on took nothing from no one and lived to further his own causes no matter the cost.

I can see how some could see it at cheezy but it really worked for me. Especially considering the scene before it where we see him burning alive and abandoned. And the next thing he learns is that all he lived for, the purpose for his killing rage and sacrifice of morals was for nothing and he failed. Again, and this time worse than before.

Honestly, I can't get that scene out of my head.

I did mean the specific part where he is raised after the helmet is donned. I LOVED everything up to that point. The faceplate coming down on Anakin, the perfect sounds of the helmet sealing, the first breaths of the respirator. Then it dies for me. The lead up was awesome.
 

I give it an "8". It was pretty good, but it felt rushed in spots. I think Lucas tried to squeeze a bit too much into it. The fight on Kashyyyk for example felt more or less unnecessary (even though Wookiees rock); it seemed only like an excuse to get Yoda off Curuscant so Palpatine could miss him when wiping out the Jedi. But otherwise, it worked very well, and fits the prequels together with the original films well.
 

Just one question...

Does it answer why it's a good idea to hide Luke away and still have him carry the name Skywalker?

'cause that ain't smart, Ben!
 

Klaus said:
Just one question...

Does it answer why it's a good idea to hide Luke away and still have him carry the name Skywalker?

'cause that ain't smart, Ben!
Sort of...at least, in the sense that placing him on Tatooine will be a planet safe from the Sith, so it can be figured from there that its not important to change his name.

Bah, blame Owen and Beru Lars for not renaming the kid, not Obi-Wan! ;)
 

I give this film a rare 10. That means, I'm rating it even higher than Fellowship of the Ring.
Although Lucas may not have made his point about the whys as good as he could have, he made his point about CONSEQUENCES with devastating effect.
 

Allow me to draw a comparison to another bad movie.

Have you ever listened to the director's commentary on the D&D movie? You should; it's funny. It's funny because the director obviously has no idea how to tell a story. He talks about cutting a scene where one character actually tells us what his name is because he felt the pacing was too slow. Now, if you've watched the D&D movie, you know that they spend less than a minute on the average scene. What the movie needed was to slow down, and if the director couldn't fit all the cool things he wanted into the movie, he should have cut the unnecessary things.

Add a few lines here or there, a few extra moments of consideration and reaction to Revenge of the Sith, and you have a workable movie. You couldn't actually have a good movie unless you had good acting. Now sure, as an action film it's not expected to have incredible acting, but Pirates of the Carribean had much more nuanced acting, as did Fellowship of the Ring. Ewan MacGregor is a good actor, and he was the only character I actually cared about as I watched this movie.

The long slow scene where Anakin looks out the window of the Jedi council chamber, and across the city Padme looks out her window, was a good scene. We know Anakin is considering what he might lose, and the slow pacing gives us a chance to feel for him. So when he goes to aid Palpatine, we've actually had some emotional build-up.

The rest of the movie is just too fast. Too many times we have a 1-minute scene, cut to another 1 minute scene, then cut back to the last scene. Why not just linger on the one scene, letting the emotion play out instead of jumping around?

But hey, I'm flexible. You can have mediocre acting if you at least have compelling storytelling.

1. When Obi-Wan is preparing to leave, he tells Anakin to be patient. The council will eventually make him a master. If you add, "It is better to earn something than to take it," and you'd have a great, tragic parting line which Anakin can ignore.

2. Like another poster mentioned, add a scene with Padme confronting her old friend, Senator turned Chancellor and soon-to-be-Emperor Palpatine. Give her something to do.

3. Instead of yet another scene of Anakin telling Padme he won't let her die, show how dependent Anakin is on the woman he thinks he loves. She's scared of all his talk of her dying, so she says she wants to go home and get away from all this, and Anakin panics, terrified of not having her around. If you look at the relationship, Anakin really is an emotionally-abusive husband, using his wife as a trophy to make himself feel like his wife is worthwhile. We need to feel the pain that this abuse causes Padme, but she really just seems confused. Confused is not compelling.

4. On Mustafar, Obi-Wan should offer Anakin forgiveness, and ask him to come back to the jedi. Then Anakin throws the offer back in Obi-Wan's face, saying he feels the jedi are evil, and that Obi-Wan should join with him. Refusing an offer of forgiveness makes Anakin actually seem like he's accepted who he is. Since Anakin's the villain, and Obi-Wan is the sympathetic character, this helps us better feel his betrayal, since we see he does all he can to save Anakin. I would rather have seen this than Anakin talking about overthrowing Palpatine -- it's too early in Vader's life to think of overthrowing his 'trusted friend' the Emperor.

5. Evil should not jog. Evil should not whimper. Evil, especially the evil of the Emperor, the Dark Lord of the Sith, should be frightening. When Grievous's cruiser is having gravity problems, seeing Palpatine running to safety is embarrassing. This man is in control of everything. He should stride purposefully, fearlessly, imposingly.

Later, in the fight with Windu, he should have been abusive to Anakin to make him attack Windu. Something like, "Skywalker, do not be a coward! Don't let this one command you! If you are truly my ally, you will strike him down. Or would you rather continue to be the council's lackey?" Palpatine should be defiant, even when facing down death. He knows he can take Windu, but he wants Anakin to turn.

In the final fight with Yoda, Palpatine jumped around too much. It's okay for one old wrinkly guy (Yoda) to bust out with force jumps, but Palpatine should have had a different schtick. Hell, I would have been okay with him flying and zapping Yoda with lightning, like some sort of lich. But I didn't want to see Palpatine leap around. I wanted him to be imposing, to be a worthy villain for an entire galaxy. He wasn't.

Finally, evil should not have a dimpled forehead. The make-up was too . . . Twilight Zone "Eye of the Beholder" for my tastes.

6. As above, except for Vader. True, Anakin does a good job sometimes with being frightening and powerful, but I got the sense that Grievous was a more dangerous foe. Hans Christian Anderson did a good job with intense glares during combat, but just a smidgen more oomph in his swordfight would have been nice. This is minor, but I really wanted the Anakin/Kenobi fight to be better than Darth Maul's. Instead, they wasted the Duel of Fates music on Yoda and Palpatine, which really wasn't as interesting.

7. One last request. This might have redeemed the movie at the end. Okay, so Anakin becomes Vader, and Palpatine tells him Amidala is dead, and Anakin gives a very un-Vader-like (and un-James Earl Jones-like) cry of "Noooo!" Now imagine if the scene had lingered for a moment longer.

Vader is kneeling, looking down at his new, inhuman body. He takes one slow breath, slumps slightly, then takes another breath, looking broken. And then with his next deep, mechanical breath, he straightens and stands. We can almost hear a growl in his breathing.

"Anakin Skywalker has lost all he ever loved. It has all betrayed him, all died. Now there is nothing left but the power of the dark side of The Force. There is nothing left but Vader."

And we can fade out with the Emperor quietly cackling. Roll credits.

That would have been an ending I could love.



I guess I'm just not a Star Wars fanboy. I wanted a compelling story, not eyecandy and inane catering to my geekiness. I gave it a 3.
 

Just to start, for me:

Star Wars: 9
The Empire Strikes Back: 9.5
Return of the Jedi: 6 (The first half of this movie is almost PERFECT. It's after they rescue Han from Jabba it nose dives into the potty.)
Phantom Menace: 2 (Pod Race and the final duel were the only things that I liked from this movie. Otherwise, Bantha Poodo)
Attack of the Clones: 6 (The Jedi battle on Geonosis was enough to give this movie a 5 rating)
Revenge of the SIth: 6.5

ROTS was a disappointment.
Structurally the movie is pretty sound. Some people complain about the appearance of the Wookies and how there was no need for them to be in the film. And I agree to an extent, but the bottom line is that they served a purpose, the are what drew Yoda away from the Jedi Temple. For the sake of the story he needed to be elswhere.

My biggest beef with this movie (aside from the lightsaber duels, which were pretty weak) is that I couldnt buy Anakin's conversion. Funny, becasue I totally bought Palpatines mind games and thought that of all of the characters, Palpatine came off the best. Hayden's portrayal of Anakins conflict was convincing, but his actual turning I didnt buy. And the movie pretty much hinged on that for me. Let me make it clear once again, the EMOTIONAL strugle was handled very well and the interplay between Palpatine and Anakin is very good. You can see Anakin struggling to work things out in a way that hurts no one, but in the end benefits him, but it's when he had to make that fatal choice, I didnt buy that moment. It seemed forced and unneccesarily so.

Good things:
I'm really not a fan of cutesy moments, but Artoo totally HANDLED those droids at the beginning.

The opening is probably the best opening of any Star Wars film ever. I'm talking from the opening shot to the time they land on Coruscant.

Dooku's Fate. D00d, HARSH.

Obi Wan's solution to dealing with the Grevious.

"Are you here to help us master Anakin?" and Anakin's response.

Obi-Wan's parting Words to Padme just before he leaves her apartment.

Palpatine.

I know that I listed a few things that I did like, but overall I was let down. There were moments that shone on an emotional level for me but Lucas didnt take it far enough for my tastes. You could virtually see scenes that were begging for a better director who has a guiding hand for actors.

Thing I hated:

The lightsaber duels, all of them.

Vader's "scream" of anguish.

Grevious. (He was soooooooo bad ass in the Clone Wars series. In the movie? Straight punk.

The Palpatine Yoda fight. Meh.

The "reason" Padme dies.

Ugh. This movie could have been so much better. It was ok, but it really could have been glorious.
 

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