Ravenloft 3E changes?

Jürgen Hubert

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I've always had a soft spot for Ravenloft. I had bought the first two boxed sets, the various Van Richten's Guides, a few other 2E supplements and adventures, and the old Domains of Dread books.

But time went by, Ravenloft was abandoned for a time, and D&D3E was released. And even after Ravenloft was picked up by White Wolf and re-released, I was busy with other 3E stuff (most notably Forgotten Realms) and other RPGs. I thought to myself: "Hey, I've got so much Ravenloft stuff - I ought to wait a while before buying yet another incarnation of the setting..."

But maybe now is the time to take another look. So what has happened with the setting while I was away? What has changed since "Domains of Dread"? Any new metaplot issues? Which books are good, bad, or must-haves? How does the setting work mechanics-wise under 3E (or 3.5E)?
 

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Jürgen Hubert said:
But maybe now is the time to take another look. So what has happened with the setting while I was away? What has changed since "Domains of Dread"? Any new metaplot issues? Which books are good, bad, or must-haves? How does the setting work mechanics-wise under 3E (or 3.5E)?

Inza is the new Dark Lord of Sithicus.... everyone's favorite lich Azzie has pulled himself back together after the incident that turned the core's biggest city into a dead zone (only took him five years). Death is still in charge of Il Aluk. The Weathermay-Foxgrove twins have taken up VanRichten's legacy, and they hunt the monster of the night (they've even penned a couple of new VanRichten's guides, the Walking Dead [For Zombies and what not] and Shadow Fey [for the residents of the Shadow Rift]). Also they added the Caliban race, statistically identical to Half-orcs but with rational that they would have been human had some dark force (curses, magical potions, bad hyigene) not twisted them in the womb.

As for Meta-plot Azzie has hired a mysterious Scholar named S to explore the lands of the core and report back on what she sees (the Gazeteers.. 4 are available already... the 5th is coming out soon they are the biggest must haves right now).

Each of the Gazeteers also seed the domains with new plot hooks, like a heretical sect of Ezra that believe that Ezra A. Was Human, B. Died a Long time ago, and C. Had rug rats. They seek out the decendents of Ezra for their own unknown ends (I like this idea a lot I'm looking forward to using it in the RL campaign I'm playing.) Let's see there's also a phropecy that says a holy war that may threaten to rip the church of Ezra apart soon (it may or may not feed into the Time of Unparrelled Darkness, now only ::checks::17 years away)
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
But maybe now is the time to take another look. So what has happened with the setting while I was away? What has changed since "Domains of Dread"? Any new metaplot issues? Which books are good, bad, or must-haves? How does the setting work mechanics-wise under 3E (or 3.5E)?

Well, Ravenloft initially met with warm reception, being the first old campaign brought back in a new form. Things did cool when a few of the first books released had some noticeable errors (both in mechanics, and in internal consistency with the setting). And, of course, there's the 3E to 3.5E changeover. Likewise, no adventures are being published anymore.

In terms of overarching things happening...well, not too many. Azalin is back, for one. The Kargatane (RL's official fansite) were going to have the adventure that had him return, but circumstances conspired against this, and didn't happen. A new metaplot is that Azalin is having a scholar cross the entire demi-plane, cataloguing everything...this is the in-character explanations for the new RL Gazetteer series.

Beyond the Gaz metaplot, there are a few other things that have changed as a result of the new edition. Calibans are a new native RL race. These things are simply children of normal races that were born deformed for unknown reasons. They're statistically the same as half-orcs. Likewise, you can, in this edition, have native bards, druids, and paladins, something you couldn't before.

In terms of how the books are laid out...the design philosophy there changed. The actual RL campaign setting itself is now a player-friendly book. Don't expect to see any mention or domain lords or such there. It is now something that players can read without learning any setting secrets or major NPC stats...or even names in some cases. While this is good in terms of making new-comers familiar with the setting, it's damnably inconvenient for a new DM who wants everything necessary all in one book.

In terms of what you'll need to run the campaign. You'll need the RL campaign setting (as described above), and quite likely also the Ravenloft Player's Handbook and Ravenloft DM's Guide; it's a small comfort that both are 3.5E friendly. Likewise, you may consider the RL monster book, Denizens of Dread necessary as well (as an aside, be careful that you get Denizens of Dread and not Denizens of Darkness, since the former is the 3.5E version of the latter, which is a 3E product).

Several of the earlier books are widely regarded as being less than stellar...to put it nicely. Most people severely dislike Secrets of the Dread Realms, the second product to come out. While it does come packaged with the only RL DM screen seen so far, the book itself is rather weak. It has one new prestige class, the Witch-Hunter, which is meant to be a 10-level class, with a 5-level table (you can find the corrected table over at the sword & sorcery website). Likewise, that PrC is incongruous to the rest of hte book being filled with (3E) NPC listings, mostly for darklords. Given that not all darklords are listed, and that the gazetteers are revisiting and updating and expanding on these darklord entries...this product has almost no further use.

Likewise, the companion books Champions of Darkness and Heroes of Light aren't liked much either. Errors in mechanics and internal consistency abound. There is a PrC that gains power by revering a darklord...and keeps those powers when leaving his domain. There's an order that serves Strahd that's much too brutal for his tastes, making the entire order OOC for him. Jander Sunstar is given stats, but is missing almost a dozen feats, and is listed as being CE. While the books do have some good material (HoL brings back the idea for multiple levels of purity starting out, and the benefits and drawbacks of them, which is a minor point from 2E RL), most don't consider them worth it.

On the other hand, the Ravenloft Tarokka Deck has been very well received, as have all of the RL Gazetteers to date. Van Richten's Arsenal was very well done, being the Foxgrove-Weathermay twins' first published work, dedicated to their "Uncle Rudolph", and the subsequent guides (Van Richten's Guide to the Walking Dead, Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey) are even better.

As an aside, the 3.5E RL products so far are the Ravenloft Dungeon Master's Guide, Ravenloft Player's Handbook, Denizens of Dread, Van Richten's Guide to the Shadow Fey, and Ravenloft Gazetteer IV (and, I suppose, the Ravenloft Tarokka Deck, since it's beyond questions of mechanics). The rest are all 3E products.
 

MDSnowman said:
Inza is the new Dark Lord of Sithicus....

Inza who?

Each of the Gazeteers also seed the domains with new plot hooks, like a heretical sect of Ezra that believe that Ezra A. Was Human, B. Died a Long time ago, and C. Had rug rats. They seek out the decendents of Ezra for their own unknown ends (I like this idea a lot I'm looking forward to using it in the RL campaign I'm playing.) Let's see there's also a phropecy that says a holy war that may threaten to rip the church of Ezra apart soon (it may or may not feed into the Time of Unparrelled Darkness, now only ::checks::17 years away)

Speaking of Ezra, how much is Ravenloft religion detailed in 3E?

One of my biggest beefs with Ravenloft is that religious faiths were hardly touched at all in the setting books. "Domains of Dreads" had the most on religion of any of them, and even that didn't nearly have enough...

Are there details on any other faiths than the Church of Ezra in 3E?
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
Inza who?

Her story is told in the last Ravenloft novel, Spectre of the Black Rose. It's the sequel to Knight of the Black Rose. I would post more, but I don't want to spoil anything for you.

Speaking of Ezra, how much is Ravenloft religion detailed in 3E?

One of my biggest beefs with Ravenloft is that religious faiths were hardly touched at all in the setting books. "Domains of Dreads" had the most on religion of any of them, and even that didn't nearly have enough...

Are there details on any other faiths than the Church of Ezra in 3E?

This has gotten much better. Since the setting is being treated as a holistic whole now, religion got quite a bit of coverage in the main book, with a listing of the demi-planes major religions, their tenets, where they have influence, etc. Likewise, the Gazetteers go into more details when they cover a domain about its religious influences.
 

Jürgen Hubert said:
Inza who??
Daughter of Magda, Rauine of the Wanders, a band of cast off Vistani (read Knight of the Black Rose for a better idea of how she earned Lord Soth's old domain)

Jürgen Hubert said:
Speaking of Ezra, how much is Ravenloft religion detailed in 3E?

One of my biggest beefs with Ravenloft is that religious faiths were hardly touched at all in the setting books. "Domains of Dreads" had the most on religion of any of them, and even that didn't nearly have enough...

Are there details on any other faiths than the Church of Ezra in 3E?

The Church of Ezra gets pretty well detailed in the Gazeteers, as do religions in general, but its always a matter of having to know where to look. My big gripe is that the church of Bane in the Eastern Core domains was changed to the Church of the Lawgiver because the Rights to Ravenloft don't include references to old D&D settings that crossed over.

Edit: DAMNIT Alzirus!! You beat me this time!
 
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Another small change: Any and all references to other settings are gone.

So, for example, no Lord Soth, because he came from DragonLance. IIRC.
 

Also two other RL products are coming out in the fall that RL Dms might want.

Masque of the Red Death. (I imagine this is 3.5 update from the original) October 2004

Legacy of the Blood: The Great Families. (Probably a guide to the people of importance around the Demiplane of Dread, but no idea how much or what focus)

December 2004
 

Nightfall said:
Also two other RL products are coming out in the fall that RL Dms might want.

Masque of the Red Death. (I imagine this is 3.5 update from the original) October 2004

Seriously?! Woot!!!

Legacy of the Blood: The Great Families. (Probably a guide to the people of importance around the Demiplane of Dread, but no idea how much or what focus)

Hm, sounds interesting.
 

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