Realistic Combat

Wraith-Hunter said:
Also one of my Sifu's in kung-fu told a story of when he was jumped by a guy with a knife. Sifu was smart and ran away. Sifu was a very good knife fighter but the risk was not worth it as he knew the odds of getting seriously hurt.

Back when I studied martial arts, my instructor gave me a similar warning about running away from a knife fight as soon as possible. He had witnessed people get lethally stabbed , but remain capable of fighting long enough to kill the person that stabbed them before finally dying.
 

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Greg K said:
Back when I studied martial arts, my instructor gave me a similar warning about running away from a knife fight as soon as possible. He had witnessed people get lethally stabbed , but remain capable of fighting long enough to kill the person that stabbed them before finally dying.
My assistant martial arts instructor once said “nobody wins a knife fight.” :eek:
 

Wraith-Hunter said:
The biggest thing I hate is that you can get somebody from behind that has any kind of level and hold a dagger to his thoat and threaten his life.

This can be addressed by adding a simple house rule that if you take a person by surprise and manage to grapple them while they are flat-footed with a light slashing or piercing weapon in your hand, you are considered to have a readied action to coup de grace them (even though CDG is normally a full-round action). Such a situation is difficult to achieve and often useless against multiple enemies, but useful in taking on single opponents and improves the usefulness of stealth.
 

I like what Greg Stolze says in Unknown Armies about knife fights.

Give an angry kid a red marker pen. Now try to take it away without getting stained. Imagine it was a knife.
 

Henrix said:
I like what Greg Stolze says in Unknown Armies about knife fights.

Give an angry kid a red marker pen. Now try to take it away without getting stained. Imagine it was a knife.

Don't go after the knife, go after the man using it.
 

mmadsen said:
That seems unlikely, given the story above:
This individual was hit five times with 230-grain, .45-caliber hollow-point ammunition and never fell to the ground. The offender later stated, “The wounds felt like bee stings.”​
Was this a one-in-3,200,000 event?

I believe it was.

From what I recall from writing CyberPunk rules - the FBI statistics for proper torso hits with 9mm and .45ACP handgun rounds have a 92% and 93% take-down rate within 4 seconds of impact.
 


An evaded fight is a won fight.
That is particularly true in a fight involving knives or piercing objects.

As to the angry kid brandishing a red marker, I think I would have a better chance of success with him than facing one with a knife.
Somehow, I believe there's an added stress...
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Jawar said:
As to the angry kid brandishing a red marker, I think I would have a better chance of success with him than facing one with a knife.
Somehow, I believe there's an added stress...
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I dunno. The added stress to defend yourself when its a knife can be a serious help.

Based purely on my experience at being on the wrong end of a stabbing incident.
 

The US Military, especially the army and marines are looking at another standard handgun change, and one of the criteria is a .45 caliber (not neccessarily .45ACP though) bullet because they're finding that in Iraq and Afghanistan, against fanatical types who may (or may not) by hopped up on drugs, that the 9mm's they're mostly using just aren't doing the job at putting people down with a couple hits.

Now the reason they went to a smaller caliber from the .45ACP twenty plus years ago was the thinking that the lighter 9mm ammo would be easier for second-line personnel to use (like truck drivers, medics, logistics folks, the support personel basically who wouldn't normally see front line action) and thus more likely to actually hit a target with, as well as enable everyone who are carrying sidearms to carry more ammo for a given weight of gun and ammo.

The IRONY here is that this all happened once before... a century ago. In the late 1800s, the US Army switched its standard sidearm caliber from the .45 to .38 Caliber, for the similar thinking as above, and then they went to war in the phillipines where they went up against fanatical muslim rebels who were using narcotics before they went into battle to give them an "edge" as it were against the infidel americans. And after that war the US Army went back to a .45 caliber weapon, and that eventually became the now famous M1911 autopistol and the .45ACP bullet.


Now CONTRARY to whatever they might try and prove on mythbusters about guns and gun stories (hollywood or otherwise), flukes and oddball shots DO in fact happen. In fact, if you watch the show enough, you quickly realize that the reason they "bust" many myths is because they're using methods not actually present in the myth, or the time period of the myth. In one episode they proved that a whiskey flask or a pocket watch or deck of cards wouldn't stop a bullet in the old west, yet they used a modern replica .45Colt revolver to do it. But there were OTHER calibers back then and they just used the most powerful one they could, and with modern ammunition as well.

Meanwhile, when they were testing a quickdraw myth involving shooting silver half dollars before they hit the ground (drawing, cocking and firing), they did in fact hit the things several times, using a modern replica revolver and authentic replica ammunition (meaning the same types of bullets and powder). A silver half dollar isn't very thick, and being silver, isn't super strong or hard (and the silver pocket watches and whiskey flasks they tested for the earlier myth represented just as much material to shoot thru), yet every shot simply dented the things.
 

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