Really permament?

[Deset Gled]

How would you guys, as DMs and not rules lawyers, answer those questions for your own games?

No, no, and no. A permanent, non-dispellable buff is something that comes from a feat, race, or class levels. Not from a spell.

The only exception I know to this is ability score raises from Wish, which is very strictly limited, and costs much more gold and XP.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

What is the duration of the spell? 11 minutes. How long has it been in effect? 1 year. Is the time up? You betcha. The magic goes away and the spell ends.

Unless Permanency stops the clock, which starts ticking again if Permanency is disabled. I don't see any reason to decide in either direction whether or not that happens.

 

[Artoomis]

No, no, and no. A permanent, non-dispellable buff is something that comes from a feat, race, or class levels. Not from a spell.

The only exception I know to this is ability score raises from Wish, which is very strictly limited, and costs much more gold and XP.

Note that significant XP is involved here. That's been entirely glossed over.

In fact, for the lower-level effects it's MORE XP than making item would require.

Still, I appreciate knowing how you would rule.

 

[Lonely Tylenol]

FWIW, I've asked my DM (who happens also to be a WotC rules guru) how this will work in his campaign.

I asked him if:

1. Would this feat apply to Permanency is such a way as to make the spell made permanent be undispellable, only suppressible? For example, a Permanent Tongues could not be dispelled, only suppressed for 1d4 rounds.

2. If the answer is yes, would you consider making this feat be non-Epic?

3. If the answer to either number (1) or number (2) is "No," would you consider a custom feat that only allows personal uses of permanency to be truly permanent such that they can only be suppressed for 1d4 rounds?

How would you guys, as DMs and not rules lawyers, answer those questions for your own games?

1: I tend to acree with this interpretation.
2: Hells no.
3: I might, it's probably worth a feat, considering the general utility level of personal permanent spells. And there's always Disjunction.