Rebutting a fallacy: why I await 5e (without holding my breath)

[Raven Crowking]

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[Water Bob]

Sorry, but is my understanding correct that, although you agree that 1e used "To Hit AC 0", you believe it didn't use THAC0 because it was written "To Hit AC 0"?

You must not have read my post closely enough above. I said that the concept was used, as evident in Appendix E, but the acronym was not. Then, you came back above and disagreed with what I said. So, I asked you for a page number.

And, I'm not sure how Isle of the Ape pulled it off (I am aware, as I said above, that THAC0 made it into Dragon and a few late 1E adventures), but there's the issue of the double numbers showing up on the combat matrix. That had to be cleaned up in order for the THAC0 concept to work properly. To my knowledge, the matrix wasn't cleaned up until 2E, with the double numbers eliminated and THAC0 embraced full force.

 

[billd91]

Can we take the THAC0 pedant pissing match out of the thread? It's not exactly necessary here.

 

[Mark CMG]

The rule is really to not discuss specific moderation actions. General policies and overall trends and behavior are allowed points of discussion. We usually keep them to the Meta forum, but they are not forbidden.

That being said, I'd already made my point, and I don't expect it to intrude on the discussion any further.

Well, I'm just glad that these argumentative threads haven't affected your sense of humor. Cheer up! The real D&D edition warring won't start until 5E is official and we have three editions that have come to pass during the Internet age.

 

[Raven Crowking]

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[Raven Crowking]

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[Water Bob]

For the record, I see THAC0 in module C4, To Find a King (1985), but not C3 (1984). UK3 (1984) uses THAC0, as does Doc's Island (1983), Needle (1987), The Book of Lairs (1986), C5 (1985), C6 The Official RPGA Tournament Handbook (1987), R1 (1982), N4 (1986), N5 (1987), I14 (1988), etc., etc.

That sounds about right. AD&D 2E was published in 1989, so it was being worked on during the last half of the 80's. I may be wrong, but I think it was included in the original Dragonlance modules as well.

I remember it being a good idea that I was glad to see adopted when 2E came out.

 

[Water Bob]

For the record, I see THAC0 in module C4, To Find a King (1985), but not C3 (1984). UK3 (1984) uses THAC0, as does Doc's Island (1983), Needle (1987), The Book of Lairs (1986), C5 (1985), C6 The Official RPGA Tournament Handbook (1987), R1 (1982), N4 (1986), N5 (1987), I14 (1988), etc., etc.

That sounds about right. AD&D 2E was published in 1989, so it was being worked on during the last half of the 80's. I may be wrong, but I think it was included in the original Dragonlance modules as well.

I remember it being a good idea that I was glad to see officially adopted when 2E came out (and not just a neat rule tweak found in magazine articles and adventures).

 

[Raven Crowking]

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[diaglo]

Can we take the THAC0 pedant pissing match out of the thread? It's not exactly necessary here.

hiya billd91,

i believe RC was just assisting me trying to get Water Bob to see its use was actually already in existance before 2edADnD.