D&D General Reification versus ludification in 5E/6E

[Maxperson]

My point though remains that if players are auditing my dice rolls (and then demanding they too learn how to cast 20d6 necro fireballs) they are getting showed the door. Ymmv obviously.

Why couldn't you just make a 9th level spell that does that? Or an even lower level spell since meteor swarm does 20d6 twice, and is the equivalent of 4 different spells since it has a mile range and drops 4 of those 40d6 rocks that can be aimed separately.

 

[Sepulchrave II]

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3) they mean the same thing at 1st level as at 20th level, but the 20th level character just has more of them.

The 1st level character has physical, luck, skill, etc. hit points just like the 20th level character.

You’re ignoring the context of my response - which was questioning the consistency of a meat- only model for hit points.

I don’t dispute that a 20th-level character has more (nonspecific-meaning) hit points than a 1st-level character.

 

[Hussar]

Why couldn't you just make a 9th level spell that does that?

Oh oh oh. I know the answer.

Because npcs do not use pc rules.

An npc death knight isn’t casting spells. He’ll, by your count he absolutely cannot cast any spells since he has no spell casting ability. He’s a death knight. Not a lich.

 

[Maxperson]

Oh oh oh. I know the answer.

Because npcs do not use pc rules.

I've proven that NPCs do by RAW use PC rules.

In any case, there's no good reason why it can't be a spell that is learnable by a PC. None at all. So why gimp a PC who wants to research it and learn it?

An npc death knight isn’t casting spells. He’ll, by your count he absolutely cannot cast any spells since he has no spell casting ability. He’s a death knight. Not a lich.

If 5.5e took that away too, it will be yet another lame MM "improvement." They cast spells in 5e.

 

[Maxperson]

You’re ignoring the context of my response - which was questioning the consistency of a meat- only model for hit points.

I don’t dispute that a 20th-level character has more (nonspecific-meaning) hit points than a 1st-level character.

You can chalk that up to this site's lame hiding of posts by someone who blocks you, so that you can't see the context.

 

[James Gasik]

I'd say it was more fair to say that Monsters don't use PC rules- but unless the 2024 Monster Manual changes it's definition of "monster" to not include basically everything, we're right back where we started.

So maybe we should say "NPC's generally don't use PC rules"?

 

[Maxperson]

I'd say it was more fair to say that Monsters don't use PC rules- but unless the 2024 Monster Manual changes it's definition of "monster" to not include basically everything, we're right back where we started.

So maybe we should say "NPC's generally don't use PC rules"?

They generally don't, but it is RAW to build them with PC rules, so if I want to take an NPC out of the MM and turn it into a PC class NPC, that's within the rules as written.

That's the point of contention. @Hussar has been arguing that since WotC doesn't build NPCs that way in its products, that somehow invalidates RAW and NPCs don't use PC rules.

 

[pawsplay]

NPCs borrow PC rules when they feel like it, like a bad housemate.

 

[Sepulchrave II]

You can chalk that up to this site's lame hiding of posts by someone who blocks you, so that you can't see the context.

Understood. I don’t ignore anyone, but I’m ignored by a few and that can sometimes be confusing.

 

[Hussar]

I've proven that NPCs do by RAW use PC rules.

In any case, there's no good reason why it can't be a spell that is learnable by a PC. None at all. So why gimp a PC who wants to research it and learn it?

If 5.5e took that away too, it will be yet another lame MM "improvement." They cast spells in 5e.

They have always cast spells. Yet, not once has a Death Knight actually been able to cast spells since a Death Knight has never, ever been a spell caster.