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Reincarnated as a Centaur - Doing it by the Book?

Well, he did take -1 level already

He also ran the risk of being reincarnated as a chipmunk. I would let him enjoy the benefits without further penalties - but that may just be me. Especially since being a Centaur has all manner of drawbacks already (biggest target, getting into small spaces, new equipment and food needs, social interaction problems, etc.)

I can just see him trying to sneak past those big guards *Clop,Clop,Clop,Clop!* :)
 

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Re: Well, he did take -1 level already

Stompy said:
He also ran the risk of being reincarnated as a chipmunk. I would let him enjoy the benefits without further penalties - but that may just be me. Especially since being a Centaur has all manner of drawbacks already (biggest target, getting into small spaces, new equipment and food needs, social interaction problems, etc.)

I can just see him trying to sneak past those big guards *Clop,Clop,Clop,Clop!* :)

Well... First, I wouldn't make him keep a chipmunk if he didn't want to... but there'd probably some kind of ECL adjustment for that as well... it would just be less costly to go up levels as a chipmunk then as a human or centaur.

[edit] Welcome to the boards by the way Stompy.
 
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The stat mods come directly from the PHB description of reincarnate. Talking wiht my friend, he mentioned that it seemed to him that the character should (logically) get the creature's base stats, but that's not the way the spell works. From the SRD:

With this spell, the character brings back a dead creature in another body, provided death occurred no more than 1 week before the casting of the spell and the subject’s soul is free and willing to return. If the subject’s soul is not willing to return, the spell does not work; therefore, subjects who want to return receive no saving throw. Since the dead creature is returning in a new body, all physical ills and afflictions are repaired. The magic of the spell creates an entirely new young adult body for the soul to inhabit from the natural elements at hand. This process requires 1 hour to complete. When the body is ready, the subject is reincarnated.

A character reincarnated recalls the majority of his former life and form. He retains his Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma scores, as well as any class abilities or skills he formerly possessed. His class, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, and hit points are unchanged. Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores depend partly on his new body. First eliminate the character’s racial adjustments (since he is no longer of his previous race) and then apply the adjustments found below. The character’s level is reduced by 1. (If the character was 1st level, his new Constitution score is reduced by 1.)

It’s quite possible for the change in the character’s ability scores to make it difficult for him to pursue his previous character class. If this happens, the character is well advised to become a multiclass character.

The new incarnation is determined on the following table or by DM choice.

d% Incarnation Str Dex Con
-- ----------- --- --- ---
01–03 Badger +4 +8 +4
04–09 Bear, black +8 +2 +4
10–13 Bear, brown +15 +2 +8
14–17 Boar +4 0 +6
18–25 Centaur +8 +4 +4
26–28 Dryad 0 +4 0
29–32 Eagle 0 +4 +2
33–42 Elf 0 +2 –2
43–46 Gnome –2 0 +2
47–48 Hawk –4 +6 0
49–58 Halfling –2 +2 0
59–78 Human 0 0 0
79–80 Leopard +6 +8 +4
81–82 Owl –4 +6 0
83–85 Pixie –4 +8 0
86–88 Satyr 0 +2 +2
89–90 Sprite –4 +6 0
91–96 Wolf +2 +4 +4
97–99 Wolverine +10 +8 +8
100 Other ? ? ? (DM’s choice)
Some bodies may make it impossible for the reincarnated character to use some of his class abilities. For example, a caster reincarnated as a hawk can’t cast spells with somatic components because he doesn’t have hands. The reincarnated character does gain any powers or abilities associated with his new form, including forms of movement and speeds, natural armor, natural attacks, etc. A humanoid reincarnated into an animal body can speak the languages it formerly knew and is a magical beast.

A wish spell can restore a reincarnated character to his original form.

I'm trying to stick as closely to the rules as written, so while I agree in theory that he should use the base stats of the centaur, that's not the way the spell is written.
 

Orco42 said:


You are right. It should be the average for the race for the physical stats (mental stats do not change).

I would also add an ECL but that is only a house rule.

Nope. That's a house rule. By the book, you get stat mods, not the creature's base stats.
 

Sigma said:
The stat mods come directly from the PHB description of reincarnate. Talking wiht my friend, he mentioned that it seemed to him that the character should (logically) get the creature's base stats, but that's not the way the spell works. From the SRD:



I'm trying to stick as closely to the rules as written, so while I agree in theory that he should use the base stats of the centaur, that's not the way the spell is written.
Hey... must have missed that part. Wow!

[edit] Can you say - BROKEN - boys and girls??
 
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Broken?! Are you completely insane?!

We are talking about random chance here, yes? Besides, if the sorcerer in question was reincarnated as a Leopard or Wolvorine, sure he would get some hellacious stat bonuses but be unable to cast spells. Depending on how many levels of Sorcerer you have under your belt already, this could seriously cripple the character. Not to mention the other more subtle disadvantages. Sure, Reincarnation could potentially make someone more powerfull in the stat arena, but it could just as easily put an end to their adventuring career as well.

I refuse to think of Reincarnation as being "broken" unless you can choose what you wish to be reincarnated as. As Stalker0 stated, it's like the deck of many things. You could reap great rewards, but you could also get perma-screwed. I don't know about you, but no sane player I know would risk drawing from a deck of many things, nor would they accept reincarnation.
 

Holy... Wow, my next monk is going to get find some high level druid and save a rain forest for him or something so that he'll kill me and True Reincarnate me over and over again until I end up as a wolverine with +10 str, +8 dex, and +8 con unnamed to add to my monkish powers.

Rawr! Ph34r the overgrown badger!
 

You do realize that every time you are reincarnated, you loose a level (or a point of con if 1st)?

Sounds like a losing proposition to me.
 



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