Review of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay

[Rasyr]

Such a tempest in a teacup.

And here I thought that the tempest in the teacup was you baiting Nisarg over on his personal blog site....

 

[Turjan]

And here I thought that the tempest in the teacup was you baiting Nisarg over on his personal blog site....

I haven't read anything about pseudo-intellectuals in a long time. Might be fun !

 

[Spell]

I was curious because you said you'd never buy an obviously derivative work, yet that's what the majority of the RPG systems available are, in some form -- derivative works. I understand you saying you wouldn't buy it if it were as "cookie cutter" as the review implies to you, but saying, "NO derivative game systems" just didn't sound right.

alright, i should've been clearer then

Neither can you, because as I said there's always a contingent of naysayers... and as I said, in the RPG community it's frequently the same people from board to board!

oh, but i know. that's why i don't waste my time trying to eradicate an anti-d20 crusade that really don't exists...

And at least one person would have said something had Sandy been attacked, because he's one of my favorite game designers.

i think very highly of him, too!

i think there should be more topics about old designers, and how good they are/ were.

 

[Spell]

Well, now I kind of wish I hadn't given WFRP as a gift to a buddy who I am reasonably certain will never run it. All this information makes it more appealing.

I guess I'll have to wait for the Warhammer 40,000 Roleplay (WH40KRP)! That will be off the chain!

well, if you have the army books, and know the background, it shouldn't be too dificult to mess a bit with the WH system and start playing in the WH40K universe today.
my advice is: buy the warhammer book again. you can then choose between a fantasy world and a loosely sci-fi one.

 

[Spell]

Given the many warnings in this thread, you just earned yourself a week's ban.

I'm not going to close the thread, though. It's an interesting discussion.

to be fair, the name calling started elsewhere... i would point that in PM if i could!
thanks for not closing the thread, though!

 

[eyebeams]

I don't really think this helps things too much. It's one thing to point out that the review is flawed and say why it is flawed, but I don't see any reason to think that it was written dishonestly. The tendency to interpret a thing in terms of what one is most familiar with is a perfectly normal human trait.

On what basis do you interpret my statement as a negative one? Could it be that your prior experience with my positions makes you aware of such nuances?

That's the case with the review, too.

 

[Jonny Nexus]

Wow. So much animosity. I've run into plenty of flak from the WHFRP crowd in the past, and have learned that many of them tend to be such rabid fans that any comparison to another system cause the sort of comments found after your review.

Well the animosity appears to be on both sides of the argument. We (the people who feel that the review was flawed) are repeatedly being told that we're "elitists" who are lying when we say we're simply arguing in favour of the truth and have no animosity towards the D20 system.

The review didn't "compare" WFRP2 to D&D3. It said that it was *derived* from D&D3, which simply isn't true. It's a fundamentally different system that shares a small number of common concepts, most of which are also shared with many other games. Given the history (Dancy worked on D&D3, Dancy has had a public falling out with the team behind WFRP2) this therefore came across as a not particularly thinly veiled accusation of, if not plagerism, then an attempt to cast doubt on how much Green Ronin can take credit for the game.

 

[the Jester]

We (the people who feel that the review was flawed) are repeatedly being told that we're "elitists" who are lying when we say we're simply arguing in favour of the truth and have no animosity towards the D20 system.

Funny, I'm one of the folks who feels the review is flawed, yet simply remaining civil has left me out of the 'elitist' umbrella of accusations.

I would posit that just trying to be nice about it will exempt you, at least largely, from such complaints.

 

[Jürgen Hubert]

Thank you, Jürgen, it's far too long since I read those.

Best sentence:

"Go on. Buy another barge. I'll ing sink that one too."

 

[Jürgen Hubert]

In case you want to get some other perspectives on WFRP 2E, there are reviews here, here, here and here that don't make comparisons to D&D 3E.

And if you want to compare it with WFRP 1E, there's a review of that edition here.