Reviews/Ratings for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?
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Wish I could, the image is burned in my brain!Piratecat said:
Piratecat said:
So....
Does it participate in surprisingly eloborate song-and-dance numbers in responce to appauling children getting their just desserts?
Ankh-Morpork Guard
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And if so, does it stay in your shorts the entire time or do you let it out?The Grumpy Celt said:
Mad Hatter
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Gene Wilder's Willy was beeter, imho, than Depp's. However, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was the better movie overall.
The Wilder version was more a vehicle for Willy than it was for Charlies. The Depp version is more Charlie oriented.
The Wilder version was more a vehicle for Willy than it was for Charlies. The Depp version is more Charlie oriented.
Macbeth
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I agree entirely. I think Wilder's Wonka just had a classic, surreal feel, while Depp is a little more contemporary (and argueably a Michael Jackson ripoff). In general I'm a huge fan of Depp, but I htink here he almost crosses the line from funny and weird to just freaky.Mad Hatter said:
I'm not so sure about that. Seems to me that the Depp version makes a bigger deal of who Wonka is, and why he is. The Wilder Wonka stole the show, the Depp Wonka just has the show, no need to steal it.
The other apsect that I liked was the darker visual aspects. The sets and props where wonderful.
And the new Oompa Loompas were amazing. I though I liked the old orange guys, but this one blew them out of the water. Great variety in their music, some hillarious bits, and wonderful physical humor and dance.
Pielorinho
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Overall I like Wilder's Wonka better than Depp's, but I think there's a major misstep with both of them.
Wilder's Wonka, in the final scene, is a total jerk to Charlie, lying to him and being really cruel to him as a final test. That's simply not cool, and it's not the behavior of someone who likes children, as Wonka should. (Granted that Wonka only likes good children; he nonetheless likes 'em).
Depp's Wonka has that whole subplot with his dentist dad. It's not awful, and I don't think it's as bad as Wilder's sadistic Wonka; but it's much longer, and it couldn've been taken out algother without noticeably hurting the movie.
My wife pointed out that the book really doesn't have an ending: it's just "Hey, we're in the elevator, you win the factory, yay, the end!" and is pretty abrupt. Presumably both changes were made in order to fix this lack of an ending, giving a final act to the movie, a final challenge that Charlie must overcome.
I don't think either movie accomlishes this rather necessary task well; but whereas Depp's Dentist Dad is low-level distracting, Wilder's Wicked Wonka changes the character enough that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Daniel
Wilder's Wonka, in the final scene, is a total jerk to Charlie, lying to him and being really cruel to him as a final test. That's simply not cool, and it's not the behavior of someone who likes children, as Wonka should. (Granted that Wonka only likes good children; he nonetheless likes 'em).
Depp's Wonka has that whole subplot with his dentist dad. It's not awful, and I don't think it's as bad as Wilder's sadistic Wonka; but it's much longer, and it couldn've been taken out algother without noticeably hurting the movie.
My wife pointed out that the book really doesn't have an ending: it's just "Hey, we're in the elevator, you win the factory, yay, the end!" and is pretty abrupt. Presumably both changes were made in order to fix this lack of an ending, giving a final act to the movie, a final challenge that Charlie must overcome.
I don't think either movie accomlishes this rather necessary task well; but whereas Depp's Dentist Dad is low-level distracting, Wilder's Wicked Wonka changes the character enough that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Daniel
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Pielorinho said:
I totally agree. I made sure to read Dahl's book before I went to see the movie and, unexpectedly, it made me enjoy the movie more because I felt it was really catching the spirit of the story. The whole dad sub-plot was throw in to give the story an ending and was okay mainly because of Christopher Lee.
I am going to read the Great Glass Elevator soon and see if any elements of that could have been used for a better ending. And if so I'll get Terry Gilliam or David Lynch to re-make it!
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