Ring of evaison

[Venport]

Dose a ring of evaison give a person wearing any armor Evasion? Or is it limited?

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Arguably, anyone *other* than a Monk or Rogue (and multiclasses thereof), wearing a Ring of Evasion, gains the benefits regardless of what kind of armor they are wearing.

Monks and Rogues only benefit if they're wearing light or no armor.

Evasion: This ring continually grants the wearer the ability to avoid damage as if she had evasion. Whenever she makes a Reflex saving throw to determine whether she takes half damage, a successful save results in no damage.

Evasion (Ex): At 2nd level or higher if a monk makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, she instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if a monk is wearing light armor or no armor. A helpless monk does not gain the benefit of evasion.

Evasion (Ex): At 2nd level and higher, a rogue can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If she makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, she instead takes no damage. Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor. A helpless rogue does not gain the benefit of evasion.

Yes, this is another area where you chuckle and say, "Huh, that's funny. It works like X in my game."

EDIT: Added the multiclassing note!

 

[werk]

Wow, it really is pretty clearly called out in the class description and the special ability description. I was working up an argument for why the ring would trump the armor on a rogue or monk, but it's just too solid.

"Huh, that's funny."

 

[Venport]

that's exacty what i was looking at, Thanks Everyon

 

[Infiniti2000]

Arguably, anyone *other* than a Monk or Rogue (and multiclasses thereof), wearing a Ring of Evasion, gains the benefits regardless of what kind of armor they are wearing.

It depends on which type of evasion is granted by the ring. There are distinctly two types, the monk/rogue class ability and the innate ability. If the ring grants the innate ability, then regardless of class, a character wearing the ring could use it even in full plate. If the ring grants the class ability, then only rogues and monks can't use the ring while wearing medium or heavy armor.

So, which is it? I say it's the innate ability.

 

[Venport]

it's the innate ability the one from the SRD

 

[Infiniti2000]

Then whether the character is a monk or rogue doesn't matter because "Some creatures with the evasion ability as an innate quality do not have [the armor] limitation."

 

[werk]

It depends on which type of evasion is granted by the ring.

It really doesn't matter, because in the description on evasion it says that it is an extraordinary ability. So regardless of the reason you have it, you have good 'ole vanilla evasion which clearly calls out rogues and monks don't get the benefit of this extraordinary ability.

Evasion And Improved Evasion
These extraordinary abilities allow the target of an area attack ...
Rogues and monks cannot use evasion in medium or heavy armor.
...
Rogue
Evasion can be used only if the rogue is wearing light armor or no armor.

The issue is that the ring grants the extraordinary ability that bears the limitation.

The RAW is tight unless you 'want' it to work differently...which is understandable and (IMO) lives under DM fiat.

 

[Infiniti2000]

The ring grants the use of evasion and if it's the innate evasion then those creatures do not have that limitation. I have no idea why you point out that it's an extraordinary ability. That has absolutely no bearing on this issue.

The issue is that the ring grants the extraordinary ability that bears the limitation.

Not if the ring grants the innate (extraordinary -- though it doesn't matter) ability that doesn't bear the limitation.

For example, take a creature with an innate evasion ability. Fwiw, I can only see one in the SRD, the giant eagle. If such a creature were to be barded with heavy armor, it would still have evasion. If the barded eagle were to then somehow gain levels in rogue or monk or whatever, it's evasion as a rogue or monk would not function under armor, but it's innate evasion would. There's a difference between these two forms of evasion.

Which one you choose based on the ring is up in the air. Either could be valid.

PS It's Infiniti2000. I2K if you want to shorten it. I drive a model year 2000 Infiniti, so 3K makes no sense to me.

 

[werk]

PS It's Infiniti2000. I2K if you want to shorten it. I drive a model year 2000 Infiniti, so 3K makes no sense to me.

I just mess with quoted names...it's not intended to make sense. That one was an obtuse MST3K reference. It happens when I copy/paste instead of using the quote button. No offense intended, just foolin'.

It seems clear to me that it is a class limitation as the result of a rules qwerk, as suggested, but, as suggested, can be ruled otherwise by the DM. You've just provided an argument to justify the DM ruling.