RigaMortus2
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Why are Rings of Protection twice the cost of Bracers of Armor? Is it because one is a deflection bonus and the other is armor bonus?
Ring of Protection vs. Bracers of Armor
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Patryn of Elvenshae
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Also, a ring of protection will stack with normal armor. Bracers of armor don't.
Nac_Mac_Feegle
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This has brought up an interesting point for my gaming group.
We always consider all magic bonus' to AC if they come from magic.
Take bracers of armour, they are only a pair of bracers, but they can give +8 armour, so against a touch attack, where platemail wouldnt help, we have always rules bracers of armour would, because its a magical bonus.
Have we been doing this completely wrong?
We figured that the types of bonus' were stated, because you cannto have 2 of the same type form magical armour (2x Ring of defence would give deflection bonus' so they dont stack) But an amulet of armour, ring of protection, armour wiht a magical bonus would stack.
I hope I made myself clear.
So are we saying that flat footed (no dex bonus) you would also lose any deflection dependent magial bonus (ring of protection). And against touch attacks, you would lose any magical armour bonus (from bracers of armour)?
Also, if that correct, if you were wearing +3 plate, and were targetted by a touch attack, would you lose only the armour bonus of the platemail, or the platemail, and all its other proporties eg. the +3
Feegle Out
We always consider all magic bonus' to AC if they come from magic.
Take bracers of armour, they are only a pair of bracers, but they can give +8 armour, so against a touch attack, where platemail wouldnt help, we have always rules bracers of armour would, because its a magical bonus.
Have we been doing this completely wrong?
We figured that the types of bonus' were stated, because you cannto have 2 of the same type form magical armour (2x Ring of defence would give deflection bonus' so they dont stack) But an amulet of armour, ring of protection, armour wiht a magical bonus would stack.
I hope I made myself clear.
So are we saying that flat footed (no dex bonus) you would also lose any deflection dependent magial bonus (ring of protection). And against touch attacks, you would lose any magical armour bonus (from bracers of armour)?
Also, if that correct, if you were wearing +3 plate, and were targetted by a touch attack, would you lose only the armour bonus of the platemail, or the platemail, and all its other proporties eg. the +3
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Arnwyn
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Indeed you have been. In the example above, it's not a "magical bonus", it's an armor bonus. It doesn't really matter what the source is, it's the bonus type that you have to be aware of.Nac_Mac_Feegle said:
No - a deflection bonus still applies when you're flatfooted.
That's correct.
All of it - you lose your armor bonus and the armor's related enhancement bonus (the +3).
Patryn of Elvenshae
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Yes, you have been doing that wrong (or, at least, some of it).
Bracers of Armor +8 are, for almost all AC purposes, identical to wearing a suit of normal platemail. They provide Armor bonuses, which do not stack with normal armor (which also provide Armor bonuses) and do not count against touch attacks.
Being denied your Dex bonus to AC (such as when flat-footed) does not deny you any Deflection or Armor bonuses you may have. It does deny you any Dodge bonuses you might have, however.
Platemail +3 has, at base, a +8 Armor bonus to AC. It also carries an Enhancement bonus, which improves the Armor bonus the platemail provides. In effect, your platemail is providing a +11 Armor bonus to AC. Thus, it all goes away against a touch attack.
Bracers of Armor +8 are, for almost all AC purposes, identical to wearing a suit of normal platemail. They provide Armor bonuses, which do not stack with normal armor (which also provide Armor bonuses) and do not count against touch attacks.
Being denied your Dex bonus to AC (such as when flat-footed) does not deny you any Deflection or Armor bonuses you may have. It does deny you any Dodge bonuses you might have, however.
Platemail +3 has, at base, a +8 Armor bonus to AC. It also carries an Enhancement bonus, which improves the Armor bonus the platemail provides. In effect, your platemail is providing a +11 Armor bonus to AC. Thus, it all goes away against a touch attack.
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