Robe of the Archmagi - Bless and Spell Resistance.........riiiiiiiiiight.....
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pardone my butting into this argument but i have an opinion
the robe never duplicates the effect of a limited wish but that's not the point. useing wish or limited wish to bypass item creation requirments at no cost seems to be a bit to powerful to me. while i don't like the idea of spending the exp for each day of creation i think paying it once per missing spell is more then reasonable. that way it costs less if you have a cleric help but it would still allow the wizard to make this item.
it would also allow a sorcerer to make alot of the lower level items by spending 300 exp per missing spell that limited wish can duplicate assumeing he has enough spell slots and exp to do that.
so in the end i guess i'm saying i agree with ANUBIS that there is no exp cost above and beyond what the dm's guide says if there is a cleric, but if you use limited wish you have to pay the exp cost once and only once per spell duplicated.
if it didn't work that way then most items would require the spells they require or limited wish/wish the exceptions being items that need spells that wish can't replcate.
i hope i expressed my opinion clearly.
the robe never duplicates the effect of a limited wish but that's not the point. useing wish or limited wish to bypass item creation requirments at no cost seems to be a bit to powerful to me. while i don't like the idea of spending the exp for each day of creation i think paying it once per missing spell is more then reasonable. that way it costs less if you have a cleric help but it would still allow the wizard to make this item.
it would also allow a sorcerer to make alot of the lower level items by spending 300 exp per missing spell that limited wish can duplicate assumeing he has enough spell slots and exp to do that.
so in the end i guess i'm saying i agree with ANUBIS that there is no exp cost above and beyond what the dm's guide says if there is a cleric, but if you use limited wish you have to pay the exp cost once and only once per spell duplicated.
if it didn't work that way then most items would require the spells they require or limited wish/wish the exceptions being items that need spells that wish can't replcate.
i hope i expressed my opinion clearly.
Nail
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Back to the orginal question, if only for a moment:
"Why is a cleric apparently required during the crafting of a uniquely arcane magic item?"
I think the answer lies in the Robe's limitations; that is, it can only be used by good mages. The implication is that only good clerics can make magic items that are limited to good creatures.
Put another way, arcane spell casters cannot make items that limit use by alignment.
Wha'd'ya think o' that?
(BTW: Krey is just yankin' y'all's chain with this "definition of a magi" thing. It's called trolling, an' he's a master at it.)
"Why is a cleric apparently required during the crafting of a uniquely arcane magic item?"
I think the answer lies in the Robe's limitations; that is, it can only be used by good mages. The implication is that only good clerics can make magic items that are limited to good creatures.
Put another way, arcane spell casters cannot make items that limit use by alignment.
Wha'd'ya think o' that?
(BTW: Krey is just yankin' y'all's chain with this "definition of a magi" thing. It's called trolling, an' he's a master at it.)
kreynolds
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Nail said:
I don't necessarily think arcane spell casters are incapable of creating items limited by alignment, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to rule it that way, I suppose. Glancing at the detect alignment spells, wizards can't cast them. Also, true seeing only reveals alignment if you're a divine caster, so your point makes a lot of sense.
Nail said:
Excuse me? It wasn't trolling and it was perfectly relevant to the discussion at hand. Why do you feel it necessary to hurl insults around when I have done nothing to provoke you?
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Nail
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True enough. My point was: perhaps divine magic is needed to make an "aligned" magic item, like the Robe of the Archmagi?
<laughs gently> Oh, come on Krey....the dictionary definition of magi has very little to do with this discussion. It's an "out-in-left-field" kind of comment.
Surely my comment doesn't insult you? You have always seemed to be th' type that can take a bit of ribbing. Your sig proudly (rightly so, I think) says as much.
kreynolds
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Nail said:
I edited my post to better explain myself.
Nail said:
I don't see it that way. It's relevant because the term itself refers to magic of both divine and arcane influence, sort of a mesh between the two, and the robe requires cooperation between arcane and divine magic, sort of a mesh between the two. Perfectly relevant.
Nail said:
That's not the point. Off the cuff comments like that are the ones that can easily create a misunderstanding and start a flame war. It's also impolite. If you disagree with something, there's no reason to make such a comment, which can easily be taken as an insult. Simply state that you disagree and be done with it.
Something you need to work very hard to keep in mind is that you can't rely on others having "thick skin" when you make comments like that. My skin is plenty thick, but a comment like that is also a provocation for a similar response, which I don't intend to make. Not everyone has thick skin, so it's not worth the risk. It's also just plain rude.
However, it might not have been so bad if you had used an emoticon to show that you were not intentionally trying to insult me. At least then I could still argue with you and keep smiling. No what I'm sayin'?
Nail
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True enough. I apologize.kreynolds said:
I still think that "magi" definition as an answer to th' original question was way out there, but that's personal interp. Many responded to it with proofs of their own, so I guess it must be relevant. Somehow. <chuckles, shrugs>
Thank Celestia for that...It'd better be: jees, man, you've got over 6000 posts! The rest of us are mere buzzing gnats on the fruit bowl of cyber-space.....
Indeed.
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