Rogue as martial character

[Voadam]

Is anyone else upset about the division of all classes into three realms (arcane, divine, and martial)? This sounds bad for the Rogue and Bard to me. Could this mean that the rogue will be more defined around its role in battle and be forced into a sneak attacker role?

More defined around its battle role? 3e they get light armor, light weapons, sneak attack every other level plus uncanny dodge and evasion. In 3e they are designed to be balanced in their combat role against other core classes.

Bards get light armor and weapons, enchantment, illusion, and minor healing spells, and bardic music which buffs everybody's attacks.

All 3e classes are designed to be balanced in their combat roles.

 

[Doug McCrae]

I'm guessing all classes will be skillful classes now. A lot of people felt 2 points/level wasn't enough for fighters, clerics and sorcerers.

 

[jaerdaph]

Is anyone else upset about the division of all classes into three realms (arcane, divine, and martial)?

Not upset but I think Spellcaster/Expert/Warrior like in Unearthed Arcana or Adept/Expert/Warrior like in True20 is a more logical breakdown.

 

[Jeremy Ackerman-Yost]

More defined around its battle role? 3e they get light armor, light weapons, sneak attack every other level plus uncanny dodge and evasion. In 3e they are designed to be balanced in their combat role against other core classes.

Bards get light armor and weapons, enchantment, illusion, and minor healing spells, and bardic music which buffs everybody's attacks.

All 3e classes are designed to be balanced in their combat roles.

And yet, they rarely are. Give the rogue a bunch of humanoids with bad spot and listen checks, and he's a machine. Give him a bunch of undead or an abberation or two, and he's running for the hills, or maybe hiding behind the cleric.

And the bard suffers from the same problem the cleric does.... it's not fun for 95% of people to be nothing more than an enabler of other people's effectiveness. And at least the cleric gets to be overpowered to make up for it. At MOST, the bard gets to rule social situations (unless you also have a rogue who feels like doing so), and then go into the fights and be largely useless.

Elan summed up being a bard very well recently in OotS: "If I let myself get hung up on only doing things that had any actual chance of success, I'd never do anything!"

 

[Aus_Snow]

Is anyone else upset about the division of all classes into three realms (arcane, divine, and martial)? This sounds bad for the Rogue and Bard to me. Could this mean that the rogue will be more defined around its role in battle and be forced into a sneak attacker role?

I've always liked this idea of arcane, divine, martial, and skillful that we sort of have in 3.5. There should be room for stealth and skill based classes as well.

Muh?

How is the Rogue in 3e, with Sneak Attack at every odd class level, starting at 1st, not "forced into a sneak attacker role". . .?

Must be something I'm missing there. . .

edit --- other than the posts saying the same kind of thing, that is.