Rogue: Wielding dagger, offhanding shuriken? No penalties?

[TheGlow]

Just trying to wrap my head around some misc stuff.
So no penalty for holding stuff, so can I run around with a dagger in my main hand to attack like normal, but have a shuriken in my off hand to have on standby in case I wish to throw, and not throw the dagger?

 

[Harr]

This is how we play it, yeah.

Also should you throw you shuriken, it's a minor action to grab another one.

Basically anytime you want to put something away or grab something from your belt or backpack it's a minor action, which leads players to want to always carry two things at once if at all possible, including potions, thrown stuff, a fire weapon in your main hand and a cold one in your off, etc. I haven't found anything that says you can't or that any penalty applies, yet.

 

[TheGlow]

Nod, thats what I thought.
Sounded a bit odd, but oh well.
Not as bad as someone running around offhanding a potion. Heh.
But yea I figured id nab quick draw later on just for fun and initiative perks.
There isnt anything about tossing 2 in one round besides a power, is there?

 

[Surgoshan]

Only powers; only the ranger is a two-hander in this edition, when it comes to attacking. Everyone else puts their attacks on one leg.. er, hand at a time.

 

[Xect]

Also should you throw you shuriken, it's a minor action to grab another one.

Are you certain? I'd think shuriken were equivalent to weapons with the 'load free' property.

 

[stonegod]

Are you certain? I'd think shuriken were equivalent to weapons with the 'load free' property.

Only as part of a power; normal throwing is one shot (jut like bows).

 

[baberg]

Are you certain? I'd think shuriken were equivalent to weapons with the 'load free' property.

Hrm, the book doesn't explicitly say what the load time is for a Shuriken - the only property is "Light Thrown" which doesn't offer any information. But I'd assume that if a sling is "Load Free" (which would include opening up a pouch, retrieving a stone, and placing it in the sling) that pulling a Shuriken out of a belt buckle would also be a "Load Free" action, even though it's a Minor to sheathe/unsheathe...

Head hurts...

 

[Magus Coeruleus]

...which leads players to want to always carry two things at once if at all possible, including potions, thrown stuff, a fire weapon in your main hand and a cold one in your off, etc...

When I first read this I imagined a fighter with a flaming sword in one hand and a beer in the other.

 

[MerricB]

Hrm, the book doesn't explicitly say what the load time is for a Shuriken - the only property is "Light Thrown" which doesn't offer any information. But I'd assume that if a sling is "Load Free" (which would include opening up a pouch, retrieving a stone, and placing it in the sling) that pulling a Shuriken out of a belt buckle would also be a "Load Free" action, even though it's a Minor to sheathe/unsheathe...

Head hurts...

There is no such thing as a "load" time for a shuriken, as you don't load it in a weapon. Instead, it is held in hand and then thrown.

To draw (or retrieve) the shuriken from where it is stored is a minor action (PHB pg 289), but if you have the Quick Drawfeat (PHB pg 200) it is part of the action used to attack with it (no additional time). Any power that allows you to attack multiple times just ignores redraw times; that's part of the way the power breaks the rules.

Note also that you need one shuriken for each target affected with a attack, as per the descriptions on pages 270-1 for Ranged Attack, Close Attack and Area Attack.

Cheers!

 

[small pumpkin man]

Although it should be pointed out that a magic shuriken will return to your hand after every attack, so if you've a magic one, it's the only one you'll need.