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Roll20's Latest Numbers: Cthulhu Holding Strong!

Roll20 has released its usage stats for Q4 2020, and D&D maintains its multi-year firm lead with over half the games being played, and Call of Cthulhu continues to cement itself in 2nd place. There was strong growth from Cyberpunk Red and the French game Chroniques Oubliées (Forgotten Chronicles).

The report also says that usage in general of the VTT increased by 5% in that quarter (following a 6% growth in the previous quarter), and that Roll20 has reached 8M users (that's users ever, not active users).

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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey





lud

Explorer
PF2 seems to be struggling to convert over PF1E fans.

I would have a different hypothesis.

The Foundry effect. (Foundry Site)

PF1 continues its steady declines in usage share on Roll20. In the previous quarters you can see PF2 slowly converting PF1 games. The lost PF2 games in Q4 2020 either don't exist or they are elsewhere.

ORR group data 2019-2020

YearQuarter2nd1stTotal
2019Q26.46%6.46%
2019Q30.57%5.72%6.29%
2019Q41.13%4.97%6.10%
2020Q11.23%4.49%5.72%
2020Q21.53%4.09%5.62%
2020Q31.83%3.87%5.70%
2020Q41.58%3.69%5.27%

I think they are elsewhere.

If the loss was due to PF2 people going back to PF1 then total number of PF games would go up, it is down by 0.43% at 5.27%. And they didn't go in mass to D&D5, its share is also lower this quarter (53.26% to 52.90%, 0.36% loss for D&D 5 vs 0.25% loss for PF2)

It is anecdotal, but in the 3 groups I play/DM, everyone who tried PF2 is a convert. We run 4 games in the 3 groups and in the next months 3 of them are going to be PF2. The last one is an ongoing D&D 5e Ravenloft campaign. The only critics I have heard about PF2 is that the mechanics are too tight and don't allow you to create "super" build like the previous systems (3.5/PF1/5e) and that spell casters are not gods...

Apparently Roll20 is not the recommended online platform for PF2, which I believe is Fantasy Grounds.

The most common answer to people looking for a VTT for PF2 by the community is Foundry. The level of integration of the PF2 ruleset is above anything else at this time. There is even a module that will import your official adventure path PDF in your world. Add to this all the generic Foundry add-ons and you have a Roll20 killer for a PF2 group.

Let's not forget they have access to all the rules, class features, spells, monsters, magic items for free from the SRD. (There is no Paizo paywall for data unless you want to resale it. If you are not familiar with it : Archives of Nethys)

{Anecdotal} I have transferred the two PF2 campaigns I run from my paying Roll20 account to Foundry. There is a learning curve, but like the transition to PF2, everyone is really impressed.
 


Jimmy Dick

Explorer
PF2 GMs are moving to Foundry en masse for many reasons. Thanks to being told at the Community Roundtable that Roll20 is not and will not be producing the latest AP Abomination Vaults along with a charactermancer that is still not completed with no release of it in sight, I finally got tired of paying the subscription. Now that I see they are forcing everyone to move to the U(which in my opinion stands for underdeveloped)DL I am not regretting this choice.

I have some learning to do on Foundry, but that's how the ball rolls. The community on Foundry is pretty impressive and I think that is a very important element.
 


techno

Explorer
Yeah, PF2 players are mostly on Foundry now and they haven't published these kinds of stats by game system (that I am aware of).
 


With those statistics, is there any point in any new system like The One Ring, despite is financial victory on Kickstarter, when it is still its 5th Edition version that players will eventually settle into.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
With those statistics, is there any point in any new system like The One Ring, despite is financial victory on Kickstarter, when it is still its 5th Edition version that players will eventually settle into.
Obviously there are people buying and playing The One Ring. You don't have to be McDonalds (the most popular restaurant chain in the world) to open an awesome, successful restaurant which people use and enjoy.
 

Lanefan

Victoria Rules
Question: are those stats just reflecting paid accounts, or are they reflecting everyone who uses roll20 whether paid or not?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Question: are those stats just reflecting paid accounts, or are they reflecting everyone who uses roll20 whether paid or not?
I’m not sure. I’d assume it was 8 million people who have ever used it, but at the end they say “Our 8 million users play so many incredible games on Roll20, every day. If you’re one of our recent subscribers: Welcome!”

That implies that it’s 8 million people playing every day, which is astonishing. I suspect that’s free users as well as subscribers.
 

jeremypowell

Adventurer
I’m not sure. I’d assume it was 8 million people who have ever used it, but at the end they say “Our 8 million users play so many incredible games on Roll20, every day. If you’re one of our recent subscribers: Welcome!”

That implies that it’s 8 million people playing every day, which is astonishing. I suspect that’s free users as well as subscribers.
Yeah, I don't think that could possibly be the real number of daily players. Whether it's 8 million total users ever or 8 million active users (however active would be defined) makes a big difference, of course, but either way, it can't possibly be 8 million different users playing on Roll20 on a given day. That would imply a total active user number many times higher than 8 million, because the vast majority of players don't play every day.

And that sentence is a slippery one. To me it reads like it's crafted to give the impression you got, but without unambiguously stating that as fact. To me it reads like this: "Our 8 million users play games on Roll20! How many games do they play? So many! How often are games played on Roll20? Every day!"
 

Phenomen

Explorer
Apparently Roll20 is not the recommended online platform for PF2, which I believe is Fantasy Grounds.
Foundry VTT is a way to go for PF2 games. It has much more automation + good UI + completely free SRD of every single PF2 supplement and adventure with pre-made tokens (creatures), items, spells, etc.
 



Blue Orange

Explorer
So apparently they measure user accounts ever (not subscriptions) but don’t including deleted, cancelled, spam or duplicate accounts. They don’t share active user numbers.


I guess what that would mean, practically speaking, is that this would be a lagging indicator; if a whole bunch of people joined to play Game X (for example) and left, their numbers would still be counted. So it would be most useful to look at what new games pop up since the last report, or what games have increased significantly in size.

I'd also love to know what's in the 'uncategorized' category, but I guess there's no way to tell!
 

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