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Ryan Dancey: This is why there was no M:tG setting for D&D


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cbwjm

Hero
i agree with dancey. there is NOTHING to be gained for either franchise by polluting their IPs with each others brand identity. but, that horse has left the barn and there's no turning back now.
Except that the MtG setting books, including the planeshift articles are pretty rad and have been wanted by many DnD players who also played MtG. I've no idea how it is gonna go with the Forgotten Realms MtG setting, but the MtG books for DnD are definitely welcome by a lot of DnD players.
 


Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I just want to quote myself for truth and comment on the irony.



Is that Theros and Ravnica next to "Reserved for Tasha's" in my shelf?
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(Yes, yes I know I'm yet to buy a DMG, but whenever I gather the money, something more interesting gets published)

(I'm still holding out for Mirrodin/New Pyrexia and Kamigawa)
I'd buy an Unglued setting. :)
 

ccs

40th lv DM
Except that the MtG setting books, including the planeshift articles are pretty rad and have been wanted by many DnD players who also played MtG. I've no idea how it is gonna go with the Forgotten Realms MtG setting, but the MtG books for DnD are definitely welcome by a lot of DnD players.

The MTG players won't really give a crap what the sets theme is. Whatever it is? They need it to keep their decks up to date.
 




Catulle

Explorer
Well, Dancey never did get to try out the genius of "Rolling Thunder" on Magic...


(...so we get to still have Magic, I guess)
 

Stormonu

Legend
Seven years later and I think it's been thoroughly proven how wrong Dancey was about keeping the two separate.

I have a particular hatred for MtG (for near killing RPGs and TSR in particular), but I own both the Theros and Ravnica books and have run adventures in them. I'd pick up a Kamigawa book if they released it and I'd be all over Ikoria if they put that out as a D&D setting. Then there is Innestrad...
 

billd91

Hobbit on Quest
Seven years later and I think it's been thoroughly proven how wrong Dancey was about keeping the two separate.

I don't see how. Nothing about what's going on now disproves the historical reasons he provides, nor does it disprove that brand managers on the Magic side wouldn't want to get involved in the Edition War that simmered over 4e. Ravnica and Theros both came out long after the Edition War died down, when D&D's brand was surging in strength and acceptance.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Except that the MtG setting books, including the planeshift articles are pretty rad and have been wanted by many DnD players who also played MtG. I've no idea how it is gonna go with the Forgotten Realms MtG setting, but the MtG books for DnD are definitely welcome by a lot of DnD players.
I have a printer that needs to be put to work after months of inactivity. Maybe I should print the planeshift articles to have them as hard copy in my shelf?
 


Seven years later and I think it's been thoroughly proven how wrong Dancey was about keeping the two separate.

I think Dancey made the right call keeping them separate in 200X. I think WotC made the right call in 2013. I think they're making a good business move now.

I don't follow MtG very closely, but one of the biggest factors to me is that they didn't start with D&D as third party lore. By doing things like Godzilla first, they have shown that even though 3rd party IP is coming in, it doesn't mean the two are permanently related. D&D and MtG will still be separate entities. In both of the previous eras mentioned, there is a huge risk this would not be viewed the same way by the fan base.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Hmmm, this has got me thinking about Shadowmoor and Ravnica...

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Gadget

Adventurer
I think the gulf of years between the decisions in 2000 & 2013 make this a less obvious call than it appears on the surface. There was quite a bit of fear among the fan base when WOTC took over that they would 'besmirch' D&D with all that 'Pokeman-like Magic stuff'. Things were a lot more tribal back then. WOTC needed some time to display their dedication to D&D, along with the traditions & lore that came with it. Fortunately, 3.x was successful and--along with the OGL--created quite an Eco-system for D&D. In 2013, D&D was still the throes of an Edition War and under fire for turning D&D into a 'video game' with 4e and needed to generate more goodwill among the customer base. Now, with 5e successful beyond almost any of its predecessors and penetrating more deeply into the general public than it has since possibly the early 'fad' days (perhaps arguably more), they can afford to try different things and attitudes have changed.
 
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Maybe both franchises are ready, but I guess the plans by Hasbro is to open a future door to allow crazy ideas about intercompany crossovers for marketing reasons. I notice it sounds as a fool ideal, but we have to remember the crossovers as Transformers and Star Trek, Terminator, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future or My Little Pony. Who would buy this? Speculators to wait and later to sell to collectors, because intercompany crossovers are as "limited editions".

I have said several times Hasbro's plans for its IPs is to make these to become multimedia franchises.

Maybe after FR the next D&D world to be a "guest artist" in M:tG is Birthright. Why? Precisely because it's not an one of the main lines they allow themself higher risks without worring too much about the reaction by the fandom because here this is smaller.
 



Red Steel is very possible, but this has to come together with the complete pack of Mystara.

Dark Sun is a jewel, but they notice they have to become the right hands to not spoil it. The art is a good hook, and it will need a lot of special work. Maybe we also see a DS videogame.
 

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