Sacred cow monsters

[Shade]

Why not just have a Temptress Fiend and note that the LE ones are called erinyes and have feathered wings, the CE ones are called succubi and have bat wings, and that there are advanced versions with different names?

I think we've got more than a few redundant monsters in the MM1 currently, alas.

Well, tanar'ri and baatezu qualities aside, I wouldn't want them merged into one single "temptress fiend". But I do see your point that having both in the same book is overkill. I'd rather see the succubi remain in the MM (since it seems to have better "traction") and save the erinyes for a follow-up. The saved space could be used for a yugoloth.

 

[Pants]

I think we've got more than a few redundant monsters in the MM1 currently, alas.

*coughhumanoidscough*
Though I'm not sure which ones could be excised without pissing a large group of people off.

But I do see your point that having both in the same book is overkill. I'd rather see the succubi remain in the MM (since it seems to have better "traction") and save the erinyes for a follow-up.

The Erinyes isn't even much of a temptress fiend anymore anyways. Aside from being female, they aren't very similar anymore.

 

[Shade]

*coughhumanoidscough*
Though I'm not sure which ones could be excised without pissing a large group of people off.

True that. Having elves, dwarves, halflings, and gnomes in both the PHB and the Monster Manual definitely feels redundant. I wonder how many times anyone has actually used the MM entries of the PHB races (other than for the subrace's differences). That's space that could definitely be better used elsewhere.

The Erinyes isn't even much of a temptress fiend anymore anyways. Aside from being female, they aren't very similar anymore.

Good point. I think people get hung up on the "fiendish chick with wings" similarity.

 

[Sejs]

The Erinyes isn't even much of a temptress fiend anymore anyways. Aside from being female, they aren't very similar anymore.

Nor were they classically, either. Old-school erinyes were punishers, not tempters.

Never understood the idea that they were carbon-copy succubi, personally.

 

[lukelightning]

The Erinyes isn't even much of a temptress fiend anymore anyways. Aside from being female, they aren't very similar anymore.

Why are these things always humans with fiendish features? I think it would be more fun for a female dwarf with wings to be the supreme temptress!

 

[Sejs]

Why are these things always humans with fiendish features? I think it would be more fun for a female dwarf with wings to be the supreme temptress!

To a dwarf, a succubus would probably appear just so. Or to a kobold, a really sexy kobold.

Change Shape means never having to say 'you're not my type'

 

[Pants]

Nor were they classically, either. Old-school erinyes were punishers, not tempters.

Never understood the idea that they were carbon-copy succubi, personally.

Probably because in 2e they were tempters more than punishers.

Why are these things always humans with fiendish features? I think it would be more fun for a female dwarf with wings to be the supreme temptress!

Because that's how they were in 1e and that's how they always shall be!

 

[diaglo]

What monsters would you be upset over if they weren't present in the 4E Dungeons & Dragons Monster Manual?

men. plain and simple. if it ain't got the nastiest monster known in the real world than i ain't playing it.

 

[Pants]

men. plain and simple. if it ain't got the nastiest monster known in the real world than i ain't playing it.

So how did d20 game go that you played in?

 

[lukelightning]

To a dwarf, a succubus would probably appear just so. Or to a kobold, a really sexy kobold.

Change Shape means never having to say 'you're not my type'

Ah, but they have a base form of a human woman (or man, now that I think of it...they are not always female).

It would be cool to reimagine them as having a base form that is either horrifyingly bizarre or totally neutral, but everyone viewing them sees them as their sexual ideal. So someone may see the succubus as the standard hot vixen chick, but I'd look at the same creature at the same time and see it as Jaston Statham.