Sacred Exorcist, needs Feat badly! Any ideas?

[Shard O'Glase]

I had thought about it, but the campaign is very dungeon centrick, we're about to go through necropolis. The character is also not exactly a typical cleric (at least i don't think he is.) his primary concern is destroying evil in anyway he can. He doesn't preach or try to win people to his side, his 11 Charisma would hold him back there, and he's not really the type to do reasurch, when it comes to thinking he's only avarage 11 int.

Mainly i see him as an engine of distruction, fixateed on the down fall of any evil he encounters. His physical stats are good, and his wisdom exceptional, 21 wis. I think in his case i see the wis representing more will power then anything else.

Cool I did the same thing with a cleric of Pelor a ways back. I went the extend/persistent feat chain so I could better buff myself and others into engines of destruction v evil. I took some item cration eventually to lesses the buffing burden by handing out +x stat item,+x weapons all only useable by good people.(we didn't play it that you got a cost break for this) Charged them Cost+a suitable donation to the church of Pelor or a worthy charity.

 

[MeepoTheMighty]

are you serious, one measly feat and you can cast any of your domain spells form levels 1-9 in that specific domain spontaneously. If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea.

Unless, of course, you're more interested in 400 pages of heavily detailed gods and their churches, and don't really care about the half-page of feats tucked into the back of an appendix.

Besides, I let all my clerics spontaneously cast domain spells - what's so bad about that feat?

 

[Crothian]

are you serious, one measly feat and you can cast any of your domain spells form levels 1-9 in that specific domain spontaneously. If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea.

How is that unbalancing? There are no domains in the core rules that allowing spontnious casting would be powerful.

Also, that's one feat and the book is not known for it's feats which there are less then five of. This would be like not buying the PHB because of the Endurance feat.

 

[sigfried]

Netbook of Feats

Sigfried here from netbook of feats. Here are some of ours that are along the lines your looking for. You can download the netbook at www.netbookoffeats.org

EXPANDED DOMAINS [General: Magical]
COPYRIGHT 2001, Carl Cramér, Curtis Bennett
You can memorize domain-specific spells as if they were general cleric spells.
Prerequisite: Ability to cast clerical spells and domain spells.
Benefit: You can prepare domain spells from all of your chosen domains in your clerical spell slots. You may still only prepare domain spells in your domain spell slots.
Notes: If you wish, you can still substitute domain spells memorized in regular spell slots for cure wounds spells.
Balance: 5.00 (Purp 5.00, Pow 5.00, Port 5.00, Comp 5.00, Rule 5.00)

DOMAIN MASTERY [General: Magical]
COPYRIGHT 2001, Carl Cramér, Eric D. Harry
You can spontaneously cast domain spells.
Prerequisite: Expanded Domains, ability to substitute other spells for cure/inflict spells.
Benefit: You can substitute your prepared cleric spells for any spell from any of your clerical domains, just as if they were cure/inflict spells.
Balance: 4.65 (Purp 4.25, Pow 4.75, Port 5.00, Comp 4.75, Rule 4.50)

DIVINE FLAME [Divine]
COPYRIGHT 2001, Eric D. Harry
You can channel energy to sheath your weapon with sacred or profane flame.
Prerequisite: Ability to turn or rebuke undead, Cha 13+.
Benefit: By spending one of your turn or rebuke undead attempts, you can sheath your weapon with sacred or profane flame. If you channel positive energy, your weapon is sheathed in white flames that inflict +1d6 points of sacred damage against evil opponents for a number of rounds equal to your charisma bonus. If you channel negative energy, you weapon is sheathed in black flames that inflict +1d6 points of profane damage against good opponents instead. These flames do not give off heat or ignite flammable objects, though sacred flames give off light equal to a torch. The sacred or profane damage inflicted by Divine Flame is unaffected by protection from elements and similar spells.
Balance: 4.20 (Purp 4.00, Pow 4.25, Port 4.25, Comp 4.00, Rule 4.50)

DIVINE WRATH [Divine]
COPYRIGHT 2001, Eric D. Harry
You are able to infuse your turn/rebuke attempts with sacred or profane energy, enabling you to deal additional damage to evil or good outsiders.
Prerequisite: Ability to turn/rebuke outsider.
Benefit: If you channel positive energy, you can spend one of your turn outsider attempts to add 2d6 points of divine damage against evil outsiders on every successful melee attack until the end of your next action. If you channel negative energy, you inflict 2d6 points of profane damage against good outsiders instead.
Balance: 4.50 (Purp 4.75, Pow 4.50, Port 4.50, Comp 4.50, Rule 4.25)

 

[Shard O'Glase]

How is that unbalancing? There are no domains in the core rules that allowing spontnious casting would be powerful.

Also, that's one feat and the book is not known for it's feats which there are less then five of. This would be like not buying the PHB because of the Endurance feat.

How is it not unbalancing? Every domain in the core rules has at least one spell that in itself would be worth a feat to be able to burn spells to. Some domains virtually every spell in the list would be a great choice to burn spells to. Being able to burn to any spell in a domain is just an insane boost in power for clerics.

Now note, the IF, "If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea." And I stand by this, if that's a good example of the types of feats they have I have absolutley no faith in their ability to balance feats or anything else. Like domains and domain abilites. Sure I might be able to get some nice fluff descriptions of Gods, religious practices etc but without balanced domains it's just fluff that I still have to work for or buy another book to use their domains and this books fluff. So it wouldn't be not buying the PH because of endurance because endurance isn't a good represenative example of the feats in the PH. While IF this is a represenative example of the feats in the book of the rightious then I feel I have good cause to be concerned about the balance of the whole book.

 

[Crothian]

How is it not unbalancing? Every domain in the core rules has at least one spell that in itself would be worth a feat to be able to burn spells to. Some domains virtually every spell in the list would be a great choice to burn spells to. Being able to burn to any spell in a domain is just an insane boost in power for clerics.

Have you actually played with this or are you just guessing here? I've had a cleric in a Party I DMed who had the ability to spontainiously cast domain spells, and we found it find. At the very least, it allowed him to stand out from other clerics.

Now note, the IF, "If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea." And I stand by this, if that's a good example of the types of feats they have I have absolutley no faith in their ability to balance feats or anything else. Like domains and domain abilites. Sure I might be able to get some nice fluff descriptions of Gods, religious practices etc but without balanced domains it's just fluff that I still have to work for or buy another book to use their domains and this books fluff. So it wouldn't be not buying the PH because of endurance because endurance isn't a good represenative example of the feats in the PH. While IF this is a represenative example of the feats in the book of the rightious then I feel I have good cause to be concerned about the balance of the whole book.

There isn't a book out there that doesn't have a single feat, domain, prestige class, or other rule item that can be picked out and said that "If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea." You really can not judge a book, be it 96 pages or 400 pages by a single item within its pages.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

Have you actually played with this or are you just guessing here? I've had a cleric in a Party I DMed who had the ability to spontainiously cast domain spells, and we found it find. At the very least, it allowed him to stand out from other clerics.



There isn't a book out there that doesn't have a single feat, domain, prestige class, or other rule item that can be picked out and said that "If that's an example of their feats, I think not getting that book is a good idea." You really can not judge a book, be it 96 pages or 400 pages by a single item within its pages.

Yes I played with it. We had a house rule for a while that clerics could burn to domain spells instead of burn to cures or inflicts. It made clerics insanely more powerful than before IMO.

And well yes, every book has a feat you could say that for.(and usually its not, but when t is there is usually a big problem with the book) For me though I wouldn't describe irresistable spell from KoK palyers guide and then say I can't beleive you don't have this book yet. I'd describe the feat and say Um its unbalnced, but I like a lot of the other feats in the book, and it has some great other X,Y, and Z. You obviously don't see this feat as a problem so this kind of coment wouldn't come up.

The biggest selling point on book of the rigtheous for me if I were to get it is I beleive it's made by Green Ronin and so far every product I've purchase from them I've been more than satisfied with. Still you obviously have diffeent ideas of balance than I do, and if you take that feat as OK, and i obviously don't I am more concerned about the balance than i would be before. So if I were ever to consider geting this book I'd give it a lot moe thourogh look over than before.

 

[Crothian]

The biggest selling point on book of the rigtheous for me if I were to get it is I beleive it's made by Green Ronin and so far every product I've purchase from them I've been more than satisfied with. Still you obviously have diffeent ideas of balance than I do, and if you take that feat as OK, and i obviously don't I am more concerned about the balance than i would be before. So if I were ever to consider geting this book I'd give it a lot moe thourogh look over than before.

Well, I expect anyone to give any book I recommend a very good once or twice through. I'm the first to say that what works for me does not work for everyone. I wasn't recomending the book on the basis of the the feat, I was telling Sir Osis of Liver about the feeat and jokenly asking why he didn't have this.

I do think one'll have balance reasons with this feat if one uses some of the more powerful domains in other books. I do have different balance ideas then most people since I beleive that balance is more about finding what works for a group, and not just on what's on the paper. What workd for me doesn't work for everyone, and that is the case for all gaming groups.

 

[Crothian]

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