Savage Species: Half-Ogre ECL?

[Caliban]

The Ogre is a +2 level adjustment, on top of it's 4 HD.

So an Ogre has an ECL of +6.

The half ogre is a +1 level adjustment without any extra HD, so it's ECL is +1 as well.

 

[Pax]

One can always use the SavS guidelines to go through the non-SavS races and templates and arrive at a new ECL adjustment for each, then "acid test" them the way the Ogre was.

And remember, many of hte Genasi get INT bonusses, so they shoudl be "Acid test"-ed as Wizards, not fighters. 8)

 

[MacMathan]

Reading the responses it seems that there maybe some inherent issue with monsters with HD that pump up their effective ECL, such as an Ogre at 6 versus making mosters that don't have any inherent hit dice. If for example you say a Half-Ogre would have 2HD for a total of +3ECL, that begins to sound mopre balanced to me.

I mean which would you want a Half-Ogre Fighter 6 or an Ogre Fighter 1?

It seems like there may need to be a different way of evaluating 0hd creature ECL and those that start with HD.

-MacMathan

 

[kreynolds]

I mean, would you rather have these abilities, or an Earth Genasi?

Depends on the kind of character you want to play.

I think it's pretty obvious.

For people that like to play brawn, I would agree. However, not everybody does that, so its not so obvious.

 

[Pax]

Reading the responses it seems that there maybe some inherent issue with monsters with HD that pump up their effective ECL, such as an Ogre at 6 versus making mosters that don't have any inherent hit dice. If for example you say a Half-Ogre would have 2HD for a total of +3ECL, that begins to sound mopre balanced to me.

I mean which would you want a Half-Ogre Fighter 6 or an Ogre Fighter 1?

It seems like there may need to be a different way of evaluating 0hd creature ECL and those that start with HD.

-MacMathan

Actually, the Ogrish Fighter(1) would compare to a Half-Ogre Figther(7), strictly speaking.

And I ran it through the acid test; while not as powerfu in terms of attributes, etc ... it IS stronger in terms of HD. I agree, tehHalf-Ogre should be a +2 Level Adjustment race, like it's ogrish parents ... so the Ogre Fighter(1) would compare to a Half-Ogre fighter(6) ... at which point, IMO, it would be fairly balanced.

 

[Kraedin]

Actually, the Ogrish Fighter(1) would compare to a Half-Ogre Figther(7), strictly speaking.

Ogre Fighter 1 ECL: +4 (Hit Dice) +2 (Level Adjustment) +1 (Fighter Level) = 7
Half-Ogre Fighter 6 ECL: +0 (Hit Dice) +1 (Level Adjustment) +6 (Fighter Levels) = 7
Half-Ogre Fighter 7 ECL: +0 (Hit Dice) +1 (Level Adjustment) +7 (Fighter Levels) = 8

Half-Ogre Fighter 6 ECL = Ogre Fighter 1 ECL.

Unless I'm missing the point of your post compleatly?

 

[Pax]

Mea culpa -- bad math on my part.