Save vs Daze during dazed turn

[BobTheNob]

Hyperthetical situation

A player is dazed until save. They have at their disposal a power that allows them to make a save as a minor (for instance, Guiding Verse, lvl 10 Paladin utility). They use the power, save successfully and are therefore no longer dazed. Does that mean that they can still take a Move and a standard? It coud be argued "No. They didnt start the turn with these actions.". Can anyone clarify the legality of this.

Regardless of legal arguments, my gut feel however is to say yes they can take the actions, because that feels more in line with the "spirit" of the power. "From his dazed state, the paladin calls upon his deity, who grants him a boon. He shakes off the condition and once more wades into combat". They had the right power and they used it at the right time, to me thats just good play and should be rewarded. Agree/Disagree?

 

[eriktheguy]

You're correct. I think RAW the situation is ambiguous. The rules do not specify how actions per turn work, when they are refreshed, etc. My ruling would be as follows:

DAZED
✦ You grant combat advantage.
✦ You can take either a standard action, a move action,
or a minor action on your turn (you can also take
free actions). You can’t take immediate actions or
opportunity actions.
✦ You can’t flank an enemy.

The condition does not specify that you lose actions, it simply specifies that you cannot take more than one on your turn. When you use the minor action, you still have your move and standard action left, but you are not allowed to use them. If you make your save, you still have your move and standard action left, and are no longer dazed, so you are free to take them.

Regardless of what the consensus is on the official rules, I would allow the player to take the rest of their actions. After working so hard and having just the right power to get rid of a condition, it kind of sucks for them to still get screwed.

 

[unan oranis]

I'd say your instinct is correct; besides being dazed does not eliminate all but one of your actions:

"You can take either a standard action, a move action,
or a minor action on your turn ..."

this seems to read the same as "you may only take one (of the three you possess)..."

 

[Amaroq]

Yeah, I agree with erik and unan - first on the wording, and second on the "look, this is what is going to feel most fun to the player." - or alternately, feel most epic or feel most fun.

 

[BobTheNob]

Yeah, I agree with erik and unan - first on the wording, and second on the "look, this is what is going to feel most fun to the player." - or alternately, feel most epic or feel most fun.

Seems like a consensus then. I would have played it that way in truth anyway, but it is good to know that I am interpretting both lore and intention correctly.

Much Happiness