Sean Reynolds rant about terminology

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Using the words in rules-specific case is one thing...using them in conversation is another.

Having something that makes someone "stunned, helpless for 1d6 rounds," to me, obviously means they are helpless for 1d6 rounds and "stunned" is just a descriptive term for being helpless.

Perhaps it's the game to blame, because the border between rulespeak and everything else isn't very clear.

If my players assume I'm talking about the class when I describe a "sorcerer casting spells at them," than I ask them: What would have made your characters think she is a sorcerer? Does that prove she is? No? Well, then, aparently you assumed something that was not true.

Because there is a clearer distinction in play than in the books. There's a diference between description and exaction. When I'm describing a scene using flowery English it's a lot different from when I say "Roll a Fortitude save." A character would never describe a metagaming concept in-game. A character would never say: "Crap, my BAB is too low to hit!"...they might say "I'm not skilled enough to hit!"...which *doesn't* translate into "I don't have a high enough rank in my Hit skill!"

It's this blending of meta-terms and in-character terms that seems to be throwing everyone off. Certainly, my character would call is sword "enchanted." In a rules-sense, it may just be Masterwork, however.

It's part of the beauty of the English language -- the ambiguity, the lack of exact meanings, the layers of synonyms and homonyms.

He can rant all he want, but so can we rant about his ranting, and if he wants to discuss it, he can rant further.

So, this is a rambling discourse, but I think the point is made. There's a clear barrier between meta-speak and in-character-speak. Meta-speak should be rather exacting and clear. In-character-speak can describe a wizard as a "Sorcerer," an "Enchanter," a "Weaver of Mystic Energies," even if (in rule-speak) she's a wizard who specializes in Evocation and just took a Weaver of Mystical Energies PrC.

The warrior example serves the best. In rule-speak, "warrior" refers to a particular NPC class. Out of rule-speak, "warrior" can use the usual dictionary definition...which just happens to be nearly the same as "Fighter," "Knight," and "Combatant."
 

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Monte's position, etc.

You know, for those of you who took the opportunity to bash Monte along with Sean, it's worth pointing out that he pretty much took the opposite position in a recent Interview.

That said, I agree with Sean as far as misusing rules terms in rules discussion ("enchantment bonus", etc), but he's way off as far as in character stuff goes. The peasants don't know anything about magic, if the PC's take them at face value when they talk about the evil wizard (who could be anything from a sorceror to a cleric to a polymorphed critter with spell-like abilities), it's their own fault.
 
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sorceress

\Sor"cer*ess\, n. A female sorcerer.
Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Sorcerer

\Sor"cer*er\, n. A spellcaster with inborn magical ability.
Source: Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook, © 1999 Wizards of the Coast.
 
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Henry said:
I thought it was very clear that he was referring to writers who write rules-related material for D&D, not "any use of the word at all."

It wasn't very clear to me. If it was directed only at writers of rules, then I agree with it. But it seemed to be intended for any uses of the words at all, and that's why it seemed so ridiculous.

Plus he says this at his site:
"Oh, and if you are one of the adherents to one of the opinions I bash ... well, tough. You can try to convince me otherwise, but unless you can make a really good point, you're not going to be able to do it."

And I had just gotten up, and it was the first thing I read in the morning...
 
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"Oh, and if you are one of the adherents to one of the opinions I bash ... well, tough. You can try to convince me otherwise, but unless you can make a really good point, you're not going to be able to do it."

Isn't this how most of us are? Doesn't it take a really good argument to convince us to change our minds? I know it's like that for me. Humans seem to be very stubborn creatures.

After all, he didn't say that he was completely closed to other ideas, just that it would take some convincing to change his attitutude.

I think Mr. Reynolds is just being honest here.
 
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Wolfspider said:


Sorcerer

\Sor"cer*er\, n. A spellcaster with inborn magical ability.
Source: Dungeons and Dragons Player's Handbook, © 1999 Wizards of the Coast.

I was rather wondering if you had a point attached to your definition, but alas, there isn't. If the point was to say that WoTC now supercedes Webster's in defining the English language, point noted. Otherwise, for the point of describing a female sorceror, sorceress is still acceptable verbage by most writers and readers of English as far as I know.

hellbender
 

I was rather wondering if you had a point attached to your definition, but alas, there isn't. If the point was to say that WoTC now supercedes Webster's in defining the English language, point noted. Otherwise, for the point of describing a female sorceror, sorceress is still acceptable verbage by most writers and readers of English as far as I know.

There was a point, and here it is. The definitions in the D&D rulebooks supersede those found in a dictionary whenever the game rules concerned. If this is not true, then all kobolds would be gnomes, all troglodytes would be prehistoric men, all wights would be ordinary humans, and all dinosaurs would be animals.

sorceress is still acceptable verbage by most writers and readers of English as far as I know.

Acceptable verbage? I never knew wordiness was acceptable.
 
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Man, I hate even to mention this at this point, but:

Pielorinho said:
... a split infinitive is impossible to ever create in a language with one-word infinitives ...

That should be "... a split infinitive is impossible ever to create ..."

Now write that one hundred times on the message board before you go to recess. :D
 

Using words like kobold, wight, etc by different descriptions is artistic license, which is part of intellectual property and obviously a different point altogether. Telling people to dispense with words from the dictionary is absurd and reprehensible. Nice counter, though.

hellbender
 

mearlus said:
It's just like my irritation when someone calls soda, pop. I hate the word pop, I despise it. Although, that is a little different because it is more of a colloquial language that causes changes in that.

LOL! This is funny to me, 'cuz I feel exactly the opposite. "Pop" is - in my neck of the woods - the proper term for carbonated sugar water. "Soda" can be one of many diferent things. "You want soda? Y'mean soda water, used for drink-mixing? Or baking soda - y'wanna get rid of that smell in the fridge?"

I realize "pop" and "soda" are colloquialisms, but I heap scorn upon my brother - who lives in San Diego - everytime he refers to drinking "soda." But, he lives in a benighted place where they don't call it by its proper name - pop - ;) so I guess I should cut him slack.

I'm just kidding.
 

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