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[Pielorinho]

Darkmaster, you had your chance to discuss this with me civilly, and you promised you would. I won't give you a second chance to break your word.

Daniel

 

[DarkMaster]

Darkmaster, you had your chance to discuss this with me civilly, and you promised you would. I won't give you a second chance to break your word.

Daniel

What is not civil in my post?
I never said anything about you, I only talk about my experience towards the way you play.

 

[Pielorinho]

Piel, are you still here?

With your post count, you should know a flame war when you see one. Why feed it?

Because amidst the insults and misrepresentations in this thread, buried amongst the responses by people more interested in ad hominems and petty snipes, there's a bit of interesting conversation. Hope springs eternal that the interesting conversation between people who show respect and civility toward one another's positions will triumph over the noise of those who want to misrepresent and insult.

Call me an optimist. At any rate, I'm very interested in the core issue and in how different people approach it, even if (especially if!) their approach is different from mine.

Daniel

 

[Pielorinho]

What is not civil in my post?
I never said anything about you, I only talk about my experience towards the way you play.

Misrepresentations aside,

Pielorinho will not change his mind, he is not here to learn how to play, he is here to teach us how to play.

Quintessential ad hominem (and a falsehood to boot). You said you wouldn't engage in them; you broke your word.

Daniel

 

[DarkMaster]

Misrepresentations aside,


Quintessential ad hominem (and a falsehood to boot). You said you wouldn't engage in them; you broke your word.

Daniel

You are a very sensitive person, This post was not for you anyway. It was my impression of our last discussion. We had a strong argument (which I liked). We all came to some kind of agreement that we where going nowhere, just to see you charging back with propaganda for your way of playing written in BIG RED LETTER to keep on arguing that you were right. The core of this argument is that in order to keep the game (notice the word game here) balanced and fair for all, most people on this board think that regardless of the situation we should stick to the RAW.

You argue that it's not true, and keep on charging back with Not all trap are equal and big bold red letter and the like. If the designer taught so it would be written in the rules, any other interpretation should be considered house rule. Notice that there is nothing wrong with house rule, but this thread is on the D&D rule section and the people here are explaining just that.

According to the RAW all trap have a DC to be found and a DC to be disabled end of story.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Now, children...

Much of this last page has been devoted to complaining about the conduct of the thread, rather than discussing the content of the thread.

That's bad.

I'd prefer not to see more messages containing "you" or "you" or "YOU" or, indeed, "YOU"...

Do, please, try to stay on topic without making it personal or confrontational?

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[DarkMaster]

Now, children...

Much of this last page has been devoted to complaining about the conduct of the thread, rather than discussing the content of the thread.

That's bad.

I'd prefer not to see more messages containing "you" or "you" or "YOU" or, indeed, "YOU"...

Do, please, try to stay on topic without making it personal or confrontational?

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

Actually most of the thread is like that

 

[Nifelhein]

Now, children...

Much of this last page has been devoted to complaining about the conduct of the thread, rather than discussing the content of the thread.

That's bad.

I'd prefer not to see more messages containing "you" or "you" or "YOU" or, indeed, "YOU"...

Do, please, try to stay on topic without making it personal or confrontational?

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

In fact, Hyp., I believe the thread has given what it could for us already, I hold no grudge against anyone and surely have liked the debate, but have withdrawn from posting more on topic...

I think this thread is as good as gone.

Cheers,

Nif.

 

[Pielorinho]

My sincere apologies, Hyp. Although it's not my goal to teach other people how to play the game, sometimes I think it's my prerogative to educate people on the rules of civilized, rational discourse.

I know it's not, and so rather than try to explain logical fallacies to them, I'll bow out of the thread entirely (and not just out of specific conversations within the thread). It's a shame, because I am interested in the root conversation, but as long as I remain in the thread, I'm going to continue having my position misrepresented and my self (rather than my ideas) attacked. I'm too thin-skinned to ignore that unless I ignore the thread completely. My loss.

Hopefully somebody will start up a similar conversation again sometime and the folks who join the thread won't be so quick to the ad hominems.

Daniel

 

[DarkMaster]

My sincere apologies, Hyp. Although it's not my goal to teach other people how to play the game, sometimes I think it's my prerogative to educate people on the rules of civilized, rational discourse.

Daniel

Thanks, but I prefer my way of arguing..... (Feel like we could start another debate here )