Appreciate you man. Yeah, I’ve had a bunch of talks with the DM about the character. We tend to go by the book/sage with most things, not to many house rules. I’m a bit more experienced in gaming, optimizing, DM’ing and such then him so I try not to go real hard, more for fun while still being competent. Was looking for some thoughts on where to go with the character and you’ve helped with that, so again, thank you.
D&D 5E Seeking help with my 7th lvl Vengeance Paladin.
I would take Paladin 8 and take a half feat for intelligence (fey touched or shadow touched are great), then multiclass into wizard at level 9. Pick up either diviner or war wizard at level 10. Get shield, absorb elements, a bunch of rituals. Down the road add spells like haste, fly etc.Hello and thanks for checking in!
I hope the post isn’t too long but wanted to help those that might help me with as much info as possible.
I am pretty new to 5e but I have been playing D&D for many years. I’m looking for some help with where to go with my character from lvl7 (which incidentally is where I started). I was asked to join a campaign in progress that had someone drop out (they were the cleric). Not wanting to play a Cleric I opted for Paladin. This is an evil campaign (based in Talingarde, I personally don’t know the campaign but it’s out there so please no spoilers, we are almost at the halfway mark of the ritual). I’m about to go to 8 and the campaign is designed to run all the way to 20.
Some background on the character:
Zailaia Umbermoor the Patient
Paladin - Vengeance
Tiefling - Zariel - Cult of Zariel
Dueling Style
Background - Faction Agent - Cult of Zariel Member
Traits—Dislikes those that shy away from battle and especially those that run. Tactical retreats aren’t necessarily running. —Nobody stays angry at me or around me for long, sincecan usually defuse any amount of tension, unless it’s advantageous to keep the tension.
—I love a game of chance, even though I’m not really good at them, this ends up costing me at times.
Ideal—Aspiration. I seek to prove myself worthy of my god’s favor by matching my actions against his or her teachings.
Bond—I will someday get revenge on the corrupt (Mitra) temple hierarchy who branded me a heretic.
Flaw—Once I pick a goal, I become obsessed with it to the detriment of everything else in my life.
STR: 18, DEX: 8, CON: 14, INT: 12, WIS: 12, CHA: 18
FEATS: Polearm Master
Current Preferred Fighting Style:
+1 Infused Returning Spear, Sentinel Shield and Adamantine Armor.
WHERE TO GO FROM HERE?
Don’t think I want to go the Warlock route or even really think I want to multi-class but open to options, especially if they fit thematically.
I was think of going Resilient: CON or Sentinel for my next ASI. Beyond that I dunno really. Any help is greatly appreciated. Tips and Tricks for spell selection welcome
The wizard spell slots will give you a bunch of extra smites and combined with portent or war wizard abilities and shield and absorb elements, they will help keep you alive more than a constitution boost will.
I prefer this to a sorcerer because the subclass abilities are better and the Arcane recovery gives you more slots.
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Thank you for your suggestions. I’m not familiar with those classes but I will get familiar. That is a much different route then I thought but this is why I here asking. Gonna check this path out now.
Do Wizards get spells back on a long or short rest? What’s Arcane Recovery, a feat or class ability?
Wizards get spell slots back on a long rest. Arcane recovery is a 1st-level ability that wizards get that returns one half of there level in spell slots (rounded up) once a day after a short rest. So at 1st level it is 1 slot. At third level it is one second level slot or two first level slots etc.
Ah ha, great! Thanks again. Giving this some serious thought
FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Hello and thanks for checking in!
I hope the post isn’t too long but wanted to help those that might help me with as much info as possible.
I am pretty new to 5e but I have been playing D&D for many years. I’m looking for some help with where to go with my character from lvl7 (which incidentally is where I started). I was asked to join a campaign in progress that had someone drop out (they were the cleric). Not wanting to play a Cleric I opted for Paladin. This is an evil campaign (based in Talingarde, I personally don’t know the campaign but it’s out there so please no spoilers, we are almost at the halfway mark of the ritual). I’m about to go to 8 and the campaign is designed to run all the way to 20.
Some background on the character:
Zailaia Umbermoor the Patient
Paladin - Vengeance
Tiefling - Zariel - Cult of Zariel
Dueling Style
Background - Faction Agent - Cult of Zariel Member
Traits—Dislikes those that shy away from battle and especially those that run. Tactical retreats aren’t necessarily running. —Nobody stays angry at me or around me for long, sincecan usually defuse any amount of tension, unless it’s advantageous to keep the tension.
—I love a game of chance, even though I’m not really good at them, this ends up costing me at times.
Ideal—Aspiration. I seek to prove myself worthy of my god’s favor by matching my actions against his or her teachings.
Bond—I will someday get revenge on the corrupt (Mitra) temple hierarchy who branded me a heretic.
Flaw—Once I pick a goal, I become obsessed with it to the detriment of everything else in my life.
STR: 18, DEX: 8, CON: 14, INT: 12, WIS: 12, CHA: 18
FEATS: Polearm Master
Current Preferred Fighting Style:
+1 Infused Returning Spear, Sentinel Shield and Adamantine Armor.
WHERE TO GO FROM HERE?
Don’t think I want to go the Warlock route or even really think I want to multi-class but open to options, especially if they fit thematically.
I was think of going Resilient: CON or Sentinel for my next ASI. Beyond that I dunno really. Any help is greatly appreciated. Tips and Tricks for spell selection welcome
I'd stay Paladin.
I would recommend resilient Con as you'll want to have the option of buffing with haste soon and haste is a spell you don't want to lose mid combat.
At level 12 I'd recommend maxing Charisma.
Strong Paladin Spells:
Level 1
Bless
Command
Protection from Evil and Good
Wrathful Smite
Level 2
Find Steed
Lesser Restoration
Level 3
Aura of Vitality
Dispel Magic
Revivify
And of course your Oath Spells are amazing. Many of the higher level spells are as well.
One of the coolest things you can do is Cast Find Steed or Find Greater Steed, cast Haste on yourself (which also affects the Steed - granting you amazing movement while mounted). Since Haste also increases the steeds speed and allows for a disengage action you can often employ hit and run tactics exceptionally well.
Command - Flee can cause enemies that can understand you to flee - essentially costing them 2 actions if successful and the spell scales very well with level.
Bless makes an exceptional prebuff spell if you are fighting enemies with strong save or suck effecks.
Lesser Restoration and Dispel Magic can be used to break allies free from many effects that are causing them to lose actions.
Aura of Vitality makes for a very potent out of combat heal.
Wrathful smite gives you the ability to function as the party tank by forcing an enemy to have disadvantage on your allies.
Hold Person/Hold Monster/Banishment from the Vengeance Paladin list are excellent control options that have a chance of single handily winning some encounters for you.
Dimension Door off the vengeance paladin list makes for an excellent retreat option if things turn really bad.
If you pay attention I think you'll find many opportunities to use your spells for far greater effect than divine smites. Not that using divine smites is ever a bad option.
Something to keep in mind about smite: you can choose to burn a spell slot on smite after your roll the die. A lot of players don't realize this. That means when you're fighting a boss you can dump your highest level remaining spell slot on a smite AFTER you roll a natural 20. Be sure to have plenty of d8s on hand.
Would you say that Res: CON is better to take then Warcaster? Seeing as I’m sword and board and have a +4 from my CHA Aura and a +2 from CON. Adding prof to con saves is nice but it seems as though Advantage + the other percs might be better. If I go +2 CHA at lvl 12 that’ll be another +1. Being in Auto save territory with Res: CON is nice though.
Thanks for the tips on the spells, they will come in handy. Find Steed is definitely one that I’ve been looking at. Just so happens we’ve completed a ritual to summon a Nightmare recently that follows my commands. And yes, I can’t wait for haste to come online!! It and similar concentration spells are why I’m not immediately taking Sentinel and giving this next level so much thought.
Thanks, this is actually something I do keep in mind very much so. With my ability to turn any normal hit into a Crit, albeit limited, has made me very conscious of when to use my divine smites.
Question though, I’m unclear on if you can use multiple spell slots for divine smite on a single attack? ie; using a lvl 1 and 2 or even 2, 2, & 2 on the same attack damage roll?
P.S. Pretty stoked actually about last week. Acquired a +1 Flame tongue long sword from a foe. I know it doesn’t work with my Polearm Master but on that one attack that I plan on using my crit for with Divine Smite, Flame tongue and Hunters Mark up that will be some crazy damage to the BBGG
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FrogReaver
As long as i get to be the frog
Res Con will guarantee your concentration saves against most hits. If you want to regularly utilize concentration spells on the frontline, then that's a must IMO. Also, it provides a defensive benefit toward Con saves - which are fairly common and can have some very annoying effects.
Warcaster helps on saves. It provides an OA benefit mainly to characters with Booming Blade (something you won't have staying straight paladin). But it's true benefit is if you have off turn spells like shield you could cast while still having your weapon drawn. Unless you multiclass you won't have those and so while it's a good feat, it's not as good as Res Con for you.
I think that's a wise plan.
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