Not necessarily more expensive than needles. I use to work at a veterinary clinic and hyposprays were used for one type of vaccination. They were one shot disposables made for that vaccination only.I didn't know that! I wonder why they're not more common. Probably more expensive than needles.
I hate needles.
SG U: A Theory On The Destiny
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There is no way that the ship is a prison ship. Here a few reasons:
1. The Destiny doesn't seem to have any kind of high-security layout. All we have seen are fairly comfortable crew quarters.
2. The Destiny has weapons. Who would give prisoners access to anti-ship weaponry?
3. Just getting to the Destiny required a completely ludicrous amount of energy and a special 9 chevron dialing address. Who would make it that hard to send criminals to prison?
4. Who would send criminals out on the greatest exploration mission of all time?
The idea just isn't supported by anything from the series. All evidence points towards the Destiny being exactly what Rush says it is. The big question is what kind of exploration mission is it on. Is just out to explore the Universe in a general sense, or does it have a specific destination in mind? Is there an endpoint for its journey?
1. The Destiny doesn't seem to have any kind of high-security layout. All we have seen are fairly comfortable crew quarters.
2. The Destiny has weapons. Who would give prisoners access to anti-ship weaponry?
3. Just getting to the Destiny required a completely ludicrous amount of energy and a special 9 chevron dialing address. Who would make it that hard to send criminals to prison?
4. Who would send criminals out on the greatest exploration mission of all time?
The idea just isn't supported by anything from the series. All evidence points towards the Destiny being exactly what Rush says it is. The big question is what kind of exploration mission is it on. Is just out to explore the Universe in a general sense, or does it have a specific destination in mind? Is there an endpoint for its journey?
1. The ship has not been fully explored yet. Nor has the controls Rush has been fully defined as well, so we don't know the answer to that.
2. If there were guards, it would be for them in order to defend against people who would want to liberate the prisoners on board the ship. Plus, you also want to protect your people against hostile races anyway. Of course you could make an argument that the shields should be much more powerful and nigh impregnable.
3. The Ancients are an extremely advanced society. So this may be the equivalent of a low tech power to them. Plus, why make it easy for prisoners to escape in the first place? You don't really want them returning to society do you? Plus, these are the Ancients we're dealing with, so there's no way on knowing what their particular style of philosphy is and their reasoning behind this, at least for now.
4. Well, who says they're being sent out to explore? Perhaps they're being sent out to a distant penal colony of some sort. There are historical precendents for this as well.
However, this is just speculation and there could be other information revealed in the show later on which could contradict this, such as nexst week's episode on the chair.
Does anything about the layout or structure of the ship so far looked like a high-security prison facility? Look at the gate room, which would be the main place prisoners would board the ship. It doesn't exactly look like the kind of place you would want to do a transfer of dangerous prisoners. If the Destiny was a prison ship, wouldn't there be bottlenecks where the prisoners could be scanned/searched and more obvious security measures?
Ideally, you wouldn't put the guns on the ship the prisoners were on. You would put the guns on escort ships the prisoners wouldn't have access to. That way, you would have the added advantage of being able to blow up the prison ship if the prisoners got loose.
Okay, the Destiny is obviously less technologically advanced than Atlantis. We know that Atlantis was far enough away from Earth that it was impossible for the Stargate network to connect the two without using tricks or Zero-Point-Modules (the most advanced energy storage device used by the Ancients in their more advanced technology). So we know that it took a considerable amount of power for the ancients at the height of their technology to open a Stargate between two nearby galaxies. So what evidence is there in Stargate canon that it was possible for the ancients to casually open a Stargate to something unthinkably further away, during a time when the ancients were less technologically advanced?
All evidence in the series points towards The Destiny being the core of a fleet of ships that have traveled far beyond where anyone from the Milky Way has ever set foot. If there was a Penal Colony there were heading to. They would have reached it a few thousand (million? I forget the numbers they mentioned in the first episode) years prior. ELi and Rush would have noticed it in the planetary database too.
To be honest, your entire theory is pretty silly. It is based on how harsh the situation on the Destiney is, and that in your opinion Rush is a liar; however, it is contradicted by just about everything in the series itself. I suggest thinking through the information the show has presented to us again.
Besides, if a space-faring society wanted to lock someone up and through away the key, why don't they just maroon them on a random planet? If the Destiny was a prison ship, I would feel compelled to wonder what the writers were thinking.
And again, this is the Ancients we're dealing with. We don't really know how they thought or reasoned. So just because something doesn't look that way to us, and I stress those words, to us, doers not mean it is. That's the major flaw when people are discussing things like this is that they go on how things look, and not really anything else.
There are two ways I can respond to that:
1) Even if we don't understand the motivations and thinking of the ancients, that doesn't change the practical necessities of a prison ship. If the Destiny was a prison ship, then the crew would have discovered some sign of it by this point and would have called attention to those features.
2) If the Destiny was a prison ship, the production crew behind the television series would have written it as such. That means they would have designed the ship with an audience in mind that would expect specific features of a prison to be present. The production crew also would have dropped more hints that the Destiny was a prison ship than what you have put forward. If the Destiny really was a prison ship, than it would have been obvious to the entire viewing audience by this point. The production crew has no motivation to deceive the viewing audience like this.
I don't agree. The thing about the writers on the Syfy channel is that they're experts at what I personally call the art of the draw.
That is they'll be purposefully vague on things as long as they can in order tro keep people watching the show.
They did it with BSG, for example. They kept promising the cylons had this great big ole mystical plan but never explained it in any way shape or form, not even in the DVD release of "The Plan". The only plan they had was that the cylons were actually temper tantrum throwing spoiled children whose parents never paid them much attention and so now want to kill humanity off.
They're also doing it with Lost. They really haven't truly explained the purpose of the Island but used an analogy of the cork. Although they made promises to. Yes, Lost is on ABC, but the same thing is happening in that series.
We're seeing it in Caprica. Caprica is supposed to be about the rise of the cylons. So far all we have is one cylon who has the mind of a selfish teenaged girl.
And even though the writers may have other plans for the Destiny, remember, the Destiny has not been fully explored yet. So there are plenty of things they can have be revealed.
Some mystery is fine, but at least for me I would like things to be explained at some point. If a person keeps breaking their romises, that is a breach of trust and people generally will lose interest in a person who keeps breaking their promises.
That is they'll be purposefully vague on things as long as they can in order tro keep people watching the show.
They did it with BSG, for example. They kept promising the cylons had this great big ole mystical plan but never explained it in any way shape or form, not even in the DVD release of "The Plan". The only plan they had was that the cylons were actually temper tantrum throwing spoiled children whose parents never paid them much attention and so now want to kill humanity off.
They're also doing it with Lost. They really haven't truly explained the purpose of the Island but used an analogy of the cork. Although they made promises to. Yes, Lost is on ABC, but the same thing is happening in that series.
We're seeing it in Caprica. Caprica is supposed to be about the rise of the cylons. So far all we have is one cylon who has the mind of a selfish teenaged girl.
And even though the writers may have other plans for the Destiny, remember, the Destiny has not been fully explored yet. So there are plenty of things they can have be revealed.
Some mystery is fine, but at least for me I would like things to be explained at some point. If a person keeps breaking their romises, that is a breach of trust and people generally will lose interest in a person who keeps breaking their promises.
Except that the writers on SGU have been very clear about what the Destiny is: a deep-space exploration ship. This is not supposed to be a mystery. In just about every episode they explicitly point this out.
If you want to wonder about mysteries, there are quite a few elsewhere in the series. This last episode just opened a whole can of worms with the existence of the artificial planet. There is also the mysteries surrounding the aliens threatening the Destiny. There is even the mystery of what is the stuff they just found in the newly explored sections of the ship (this will probably be explained in the next few episodes).
BTW, why are you talking about "broken promises"? What promises are being broken?
If you want to wonder about mysteries, there are quite a few elsewhere in the series. This last episode just opened a whole can of worms with the existence of the artificial planet. There is also the mysteries surrounding the aliens threatening the Destiny. There is even the mystery of what is the stuff they just found in the newly explored sections of the ship (this will probably be explained in the next few episodes).
BTW, why are you talking about "broken promises"? What promises are being broken?
Crothian
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I think you need to step back and realize that just becasue to you BSG, Caprica, Lost, and whatever other show you want to name failed to live up to your expectations has little bearing on if SGU will. Of course with you being the common denimantor there perhaps your standards for these type of shows is higher then the writers and you will be terrible disappointed by them. 
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