Infernal Teddy
Explorer
Mouseferatu said:Ah. That makes more sense, then.
I suppose so... *Blush* I forget these things...
Shadowcaster fixes by Mouseferatu
I suppose so... *Blush* I forget these things...
Mouseferatu
Hero
Crothian said:On tonight's CSI Grissom said something like "I have to go meet the Shadowcaster of the Forgotten Realms."
My wife and I both had a good laugh at that.
I still feel there is a glitch in your updated version, Mouseferatu. Is the following intentional?
You state that apprentice level mysteries that become supernatural abilities gain the supernatural ability DC progression. You make no mention of Initiate level mysteries which become supernatural abilities due to Favored Mystery feats.
Did you have some specific reason for leaving these out, or was it an oversight? Allowing Initiate (or even Master) level mysteries to become supernatural and gain the supernatural DC progression lets a player spend a feat to keep a relatively low level mystery still relevant at high levels (say, Shadow Sight). Personally, I would allow this feat to be used in this manner. There's some overlap with Path Focus (both feats would increase spell dc), but they function in a different enough manner that I think they could both remain useful.
You state that apprentice level mysteries that become supernatural abilities gain the supernatural ability DC progression. You make no mention of Initiate level mysteries which become supernatural abilities due to Favored Mystery feats.
Did you have some specific reason for leaving these out, or was it an oversight? Allowing Initiate (or even Master) level mysteries to become supernatural and gain the supernatural DC progression lets a player spend a feat to keep a relatively low level mystery still relevant at high levels (say, Shadow Sight). Personally, I would allow this feat to be used in this manner. There's some overlap with Path Focus (both feats would increase spell dc), but they function in a different enough manner that I think they could both remain useful.
Mouseferatu
Hero
Purely an oversight. An Initiate-level feat that becomes a supernatural ability due to the Favored Mystery feat would function just like any other supernatural-mystery, and would use the appropriate progression.
The-Random-NPC
First Post
I'm playing a game with a friend, and he is playing a Spellthief (CA) while I'm playing a Shadowcaster (ToM.) According to the rules a Spellthief can steal a spell or spell-like ability from a spell caster or other source by doing 1d6 less sneak attack damage as a supernatural ability. Now Shadowcasters don't cast spells, but their spells do become spell-like abilities. We were wondering what your take on this is. Could a Spellthief steal mysteries cast as spells? Or can they only do it when it is a spell-like ability? And if he can steal spell-like abilities does my Shadowcaster lose one use of it?
Thanks in advance,
The Random NPC
Thanks in advance,
The Random NPC
FireDrakeK
First Post
confusion
sorry to post on a thread so old. but i'm still confused about something.
as i understand it, shadowcasters gain uses per day per mystery. thus each mystery they know can be used X number of times.
how does the bonus uses from heigh int (or Charisma) effect this? do you get one additional use of ANY 1st level mystery you posess? or do you have to assign the use to a specific mystery.
also when building my character having to tretch it over 2 stats really hurts, especially if you're using point-by. i know it's your baby and your concept, but i'd really just swap it to Charisma only (like most I embody this kind of magic classes) your average shadowcaster will probably have a heigh int anyway due to the need for skill points, and massive use of knowledge plains and arcana.
you could even limit the number of bonus feats they can get from spell selections to that of your int modifier. it's just normally on a spellcaster you need a good dex and con in addition to whatever spell-casting stat. it's expected that by level 20 you'll have one that that stand head over heals above the rest. and only one. therefor this caster will never be as powerful as a caster that doesn't have to so split it's resources.
i'm sure you've though this all though but i really love the idea of this class. the flavor is wonderful. i've been fighting with the other players saying yes it's good enough yes i'll survive if i play it... and then dying repeatedly.
but really, the main reason for this post, is how does that bonus work, cause repeated death's aside, that's really the only thing stopping me from playing one at this point
sorry to post on a thread so old. but i'm still confused about something.
as i understand it, shadowcasters gain uses per day per mystery. thus each mystery they know can be used X number of times.
how does the bonus uses from heigh int (or Charisma) effect this? do you get one additional use of ANY 1st level mystery you posess? or do you have to assign the use to a specific mystery.
also when building my character having to tretch it over 2 stats really hurts, especially if you're using point-by. i know it's your baby and your concept, but i'd really just swap it to Charisma only (like most I embody this kind of magic classes) your average shadowcaster will probably have a heigh int anyway due to the need for skill points, and massive use of knowledge plains and arcana.
you could even limit the number of bonus feats they can get from spell selections to that of your int modifier. it's just normally on a spellcaster you need a good dex and con in addition to whatever spell-casting stat. it's expected that by level 20 you'll have one that that stand head over heals above the rest. and only one. therefor this caster will never be as powerful as a caster that doesn't have to so split it's resources.
i'm sure you've though this all though but i really love the idea of this class. the flavor is wonderful. i've been fighting with the other players saying yes it's good enough yes i'll survive if i play it... and then dying repeatedly.
but really, the main reason for this post, is how does that bonus work, cause repeated death's aside, that's really the only thing stopping me from playing one at this point
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kenmarable
Hero
If Ari has more to say, that'd be cool, but as a quick answer to the bonus mysteries:
So, if you get a bonus 1st level mystery, you can cast them all X times per day, and then when you need it, you can cast one of them (any one) an extra time. If you have two bonus mysteries, then you can cast one of them X+2 times, or two of them X+1 times, etc.
Right now my wife is playing a shadowcaster and really loves the character. One conceptual shift that helped make the character more effective was to move away from trying to deal out damage and kill enemies, but instead trying to cripple them. Between nonlethal damage and various effects (I forget which ones exactly, but stuff like sickening, slowing, lowering AC, etc.), her character is very effective in weakening bad guys significantly which is a nice change. Even the most powerful fighter usually doesn't have any effect on a bad guy until those hit points reach 0.
From post 86 of this thread.Mouseferatu said:
So, if you get a bonus 1st level mystery, you can cast them all X times per day, and then when you need it, you can cast one of them (any one) an extra time. If you have two bonus mysteries, then you can cast one of them X+2 times, or two of them X+1 times, etc.
Right now my wife is playing a shadowcaster and really loves the character. One conceptual shift that helped make the character more effective was to move away from trying to deal out damage and kill enemies, but instead trying to cripple them. Between nonlethal damage and various effects (I forget which ones exactly, but stuff like sickening, slowing, lowering AC, etc.), her character is very effective in weakening bad guys significantly which is a nice change. Even the most powerful fighter usually doesn't have any effect on a bad guy until those hit points reach 0.
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