Shirt +5 Silent?
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Tatsukun
Danjin Masutaa
Sure you can, but ittakes up the armor slot and counts as light armor. If it didn't monks and the like would get a big boost. Also, it takes up the armor slot on a PC (so you can't wear such a shirt and armor at the same time.)
If you want to be able to wear the shirt at the same time as armor, or have the shirt not need light armor proficiency, you have to make it use the "shirt" slot. That's a wonderous item, not armor.
-Tatsu
If you want to be able to wear the shirt at the same time as armor, or have the shirt not need light armor proficiency, you have to make it use the "shirt" slot. That's a wonderous item, not armor.
-Tatsu
Hypersmurf
Moderatarrrrh...
It depends on whether your DM allows special qualities like Silent Moves to be placed on Bracers of Armor.
There's nothing in the Core Rules to suggest it's possible - Armor special abilities are for armor. On the other hand, A&EG has a sidebar suggesting it's possible.
The thing is, a shirt is not armor. If it were armor, then a monk wearing a shirt would lose a bunch of special abilities. It's treated as armor for purposes of the Magic Vestment spell, but not otherwise.
But if your DM allows Armor special abilities on Bracers, then you can just craft your shirt as Bracers of Armor reslotted to the Vest/Vestment/Shirt slot (possibly with a price increase, depending on affinity).
-Hyp.
There's nothing in the Core Rules to suggest it's possible - Armor special abilities are for armor. On the other hand, A&EG has a sidebar suggesting it's possible.
The thing is, a shirt is not armor. If it were armor, then a monk wearing a shirt would lose a bunch of special abilities. It's treated as armor for purposes of the Magic Vestment spell, but not otherwise.
But if your DM allows Armor special abilities on Bracers, then you can just craft your shirt as Bracers of Armor reslotted to the Vest/Vestment/Shirt slot (possibly with a price increase, depending on affinity).
-Hyp.
SRD:
• One vest, vestment, or shirt on the torso
• One robe or suit of armor on the body (over a vest, vestment, or shirt)
So, a shirt/vest is not armor - for "Armor Bonus (Enchantment)" purposes. Meaning, you cannot add "+1 armor enchantment" to a shirt/vest.
The above is the only source I can find that shows a Robe is a piece of armor with armor bonus = 0. Since Robe is not listed in the armor charts, the charts seem to contradict this. My conclusion is that RAW, the Robe counts as armor, and allows "Armor Bonus (Enchantment)" to be added, but a given DM could count the item as "light armor" or "no armor". But, read on...
Bracers of Armor exist, it's logical to assume that one could place "Armor Bonus" on other items, but if the Body Slot affinity is not "Combat", might have to pay the premium pricing for using a non-normal slot for such a bonus. So, you could make something similar to Bracers of Armor, but in a shirt. Remember, this is not the same as "Armor Bonus (Enchancement)". You could wear a Shirt which provides a +5 Armor Bonus and you are un-armorered. (Just like wearing bracers of +5 armor, you are un-armored.)
One could theoretically put the same enchantment from the bracers on a suit of leather armor with Craft Wondrous Item - but the bonuses don't stack, because they are both "armor bonuses", you just use the higher bonus. In this case, you could have Leather Armor +3 (Craft Arms and Armor), enchanted with a +5 Armor bonus (Craft Wondrous Item). There is a Gold piece premium in the cost for multiple effects. Inside an anti-magic field the wearer gets the armor bonus of the Leather, in normal areas the wearer gets +5 armor bonus and +3 armor bonus (enchancement), for a total of +8 AC.
The next step is the Robe + 3, with +5 armor bonus. Inside Anti-magic areas, AC bonus is 0. In normal areas, it's +8 AC. Whether this is light armor, or no armor, is up to your DM, since it's not in the rules whether a Robe is light or counts as no armor.
Since the Armor Bonus of a Robe is 0 inside an antimagic area, I would say it's not armor. I certainly would not penalize a monk by saying he is "armored", for wearing a Scholar's Outfit or a Robe of Eyes.
• One vest, vestment, or shirt on the torso
• One robe or suit of armor on the body (over a vest, vestment, or shirt)
So, a shirt/vest is not armor - for "Armor Bonus (Enchantment)" purposes. Meaning, you cannot add "+1 armor enchantment" to a shirt/vest.
The above is the only source I can find that shows a Robe is a piece of armor with armor bonus = 0. Since Robe is not listed in the armor charts, the charts seem to contradict this. My conclusion is that RAW, the Robe counts as armor, and allows "Armor Bonus (Enchantment)" to be added, but a given DM could count the item as "light armor" or "no armor". But, read on...
Bracers of Armor exist, it's logical to assume that one could place "Armor Bonus" on other items, but if the Body Slot affinity is not "Combat", might have to pay the premium pricing for using a non-normal slot for such a bonus. So, you could make something similar to Bracers of Armor, but in a shirt. Remember, this is not the same as "Armor Bonus (Enchancement)". You could wear a Shirt which provides a +5 Armor Bonus and you are un-armorered. (Just like wearing bracers of +5 armor, you are un-armored.)
One could theoretically put the same enchantment from the bracers on a suit of leather armor with Craft Wondrous Item - but the bonuses don't stack, because they are both "armor bonuses", you just use the higher bonus. In this case, you could have Leather Armor +3 (Craft Arms and Armor), enchanted with a +5 Armor bonus (Craft Wondrous Item). There is a Gold piece premium in the cost for multiple effects. Inside an anti-magic field the wearer gets the armor bonus of the Leather, in normal areas the wearer gets +5 armor bonus and +3 armor bonus (enchancement), for a total of +8 AC.
The next step is the Robe + 3, with +5 armor bonus. Inside Anti-magic areas, AC bonus is 0. In normal areas, it's +8 AC. Whether this is light armor, or no armor, is up to your DM, since it's not in the rules whether a Robe is light or counts as no armor.
Since the Armor Bonus of a Robe is 0 inside an antimagic area, I would say it's not armor. I certainly would not penalize a monk by saying he is "armored", for wearing a Scholar's Outfit or a Robe of Eyes.
dcollins
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Matafuego said:
No, not by the core rules, such a thing would be a House Rules "new item". The magic vestment spell has special rules for what it can be applied to, and do not dictate what counts as magic armor in general. See the tables in the DMG for what counts as magic armor (shirts and robes aren't on them).
(However, many players believe all items are allowed by the rules, it's just a matter of pricing them.)
Patryn of Elvenshae
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Wow, D, you sure are bitter about that one, aren't you?
I mean, sheesh...
I mean, sheesh...
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