Should I be worried about this build.

[Tomovasky]

Hey guys need some help just in the stage of making characters for “Expedition to Castle Ravenloft” , well one on my PC sent me his character idea for the game and I wanted to get you guys for this is a first time I had some play any close to this Idea and I want to make sure there will be no problems with the build . So here it is…..

“Right now I'm going with Illusionist 5/shadow adept 1 with two illusion class variants. The variants are called Chains of Disbelief and Illusion mastery. These variants are discribed in the Unearthed Arcana book, but there is a link to them on the web in the SRD, here. I can take both, I assume, since I have to give up something for each which I would have normally gotten as a regular Illusionist. The Shadow Adept is in either the Faerun Campaign setting book (3.0), or the Player's guide to faerun book (3.5). I'm assuming you're going with the 3.5 version.

Other prestige classes I plan taking on are the Shadowcrafter, in the Underdark book, and the Shadowcraft Mage, in the Races of Stone book. I know all the "shadow" prestige classes are gonna get confusing, but I wanted all of the shadow magic classes! Anyway, I am referencing those ebooks right now on my comp, just so you know. If there are any issues you have with these classes, or anything else, please let me know before the game starts”

 

[delericho]

“Right now I'm going with Illusionist 5/shadow adept 1 with two illusion class variants. The variants are called Chains of Disbelief and Illusion mastery.

Chains of Disbelief is overpowered when combined with (many) Prestige Classes - any PrC that gives "+1 caster level" at every level is already almost certain to be overpowered since the only things a Wizard gives up are familiar advancement and bonus feats, but Chains of Disbelief trades the familiar for a fixed bonus, making the PrCs even less of a sacrifice.

Illusion Mastery is actually pretty weak. (And, UA does state that there's no harm in allowing the same character to use more than one variant.)

The Shadow Adept is in either the Faerun Campaign setting book (3.0), or the Player's guide to faerun book (3.5). I'm assuming you're going with the 3.5 version.

Definately go with the most recent version of all variants/PrCs/etc. These things are (allegedly) balanced to work together, which is not true across editions. I presume you are running an FR game?

Other prestige classes I plan taking on are the Shadowcrafter, in the Underdark book, and the Shadowcraft Mage, in the Races of Stone book.

I don't like the idea of a character having so many PrCs, but that's a personal issue (also, at least these ones are conceptually similar, so do actually represent a good 'fit'). However, I'm not familiar with those specific classes, so can't comment further.

 

[Herzog]

What were the guidelines you provided your players with?
Were they restricted by you in any way?
Do you own/know these books?
Do you allow multiclassing?
Do you allow multiple PrC's?


Herzog

 

[Thanee]

Chains of Disbelief is overpowered when combined with (many) Prestige Classes - any PrC that gives "+1 caster level" at every level is already almost certain to be overpowered since the only things a Wizard gives up are familiar advancement and bonus feats, but Chains of Disbelief trades the familiar for a fixed bonus, making the PrCs even less of a sacrifice.

The familiar advancement past 5th level isn't much, it's almost neglectable. By that point you got all important things already, and everything you really need still advances normally (skill ranks, hit points, etc). The advantage of having a familiar over not having one is still quite good, even with a prestige class, so I don't think this is much of an issue, really.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Deekin]

KILLER GNOME!.

This is build off the CharOps Board. They get 120% real illusions.

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=290914 is the thread

Is it just me or does the HTML tags not work?

 

[Thanee]

HTML tags rarely work on message boards... you got to stick with the special bracket-enclosed forum tags.

Bye
Thanee

 

[EyeontheMountain]

Yes, it is a dangerous build, especially as undead are not immune to illusions, just mind affecting magic (yes, there is a big difference) The link a couple of posts above shows this.

I'd be really wary fo a player who treid to foist a char-op build over on me.

 

[Man in the Funny Hat]

“Right now I'm going with Illusionist 5/shadow adept 1 with two illusion class variants. The variants are called Chains of Disbelief and Illusion mastery. These variants are discribed in the Unearthed Arcana book, but there is a link to them on the web in the SRD, here. I can take both, I assume, since I have to give up something for each which I would have normally gotten as a regular Illusionist. The Shadow Adept is in either the Faerun Campaign setting book (3.0), or the Player's guide to faerun book (3.5). I'm assuming you're going with the 3.5 version.

Other prestige classes I plan taking on are the Shadowcrafter, in the Underdark book, and the Shadowcraft Mage, in the Races of Stone book. I know all the "shadow" prestige classes are gonna get confusing, but I wanted all of the shadow magic classes! Anyway, I am referencing those ebooks right now on my comp, just so you know. If there are any issues you have with these classes, or anything else, please let me know before the game starts”

..."I've already given you my list of what supplements are okay for this campaign, and the general direction I intend to take gameplay so you should be able to work out for yourself what combinations will be interesting or useful for whatever concept you have. Ask me about EXCEPTIONS to that list, otherwise I don't care because it's YOUR PC, not mine, and the CONSEQUENCES are yours as well."

"If it's a combination that becomes a problem after we start the game then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Just remember that if you're designing and playing your character like a powermongering munchkin, devoid of all CHARACTER in favor of uberstats I'll deal with it on that basis."

 

[blargney the second]

I'd be really wary fo a player who treid to foist a char-op build over on me.

Exactly. No teacher should sit idly around such blatant plagiarism.

 

[Tomovasky]

Well first of all I am not playing a FR game... I not rely useing a seting more then what is given for the maps and area around Castle Ravenloft and then just a core D&D fill for races and gods... This is the first time I played with this group and I like to build new world as need be.

I am only planing on runing this as a mini campain so he should not get farther then 10LV so he dose not have much room for the build (this time).

I made the mistake of alowing way to many books (saying that all 3.5 book were alowed for this game with some class/feats that I have hade a problem with band), The only problem is I new they realy did not have many books, so I thought it be all from books I own (I have alot of books, but I know every thing in them) well then the player went and downloaded a bunch of books I do not know but still fits with my first ruling on books. A mistake I will not make next time.