D&D 5E Should Psion be a Class or Subclass?

[Salthorae]

More importantly, I'm really at odds with this "let's make everything a subclass" theme that's been going on for years. It is not elegant; it's sloppy and misguided.

So sloppy and misguided that they have experienced double digit growth and sold more and better any of the previous WotC versions of D&D

"With the release in 2014, it has grown and only continued to grow. Every kind of statistical model we’ve been able to to use from the history of ‘Dungeons and Dragons’ has been broken at this point. So, we are in uncharted territory.”

 

[Tony Vargas]

I'd go Bard for Ardent, especially since we are along ways off from Warlord if ever.

While i suppose there's nothing innately wrong with mixing psionics into the sub-class of a full caster, that's not what the Ardent ever was.

I can't recall any mixed arcane or divine psionics classes, but I'm sure there must've been the odd 3.5 PrC along those lines.

 

[Zardnaar]

While i suppose there's nothing innately wrong with mixing psionics into the sub-class of a full caster, that's not what the Ardent ever was.

I can't recall any mixed arcane or divine psionics classes, but I'm sure there must've been the odd 3.5 PrC along those lines.

There was that 3.5 prc that granted progression in both wizard and Psion classes. Cerebralmancer or whatever it was called.

 

[Salthorae]

There was that 3.5 prc that granted progression in both wizard and Psion classes. Cerebralmancer or whatever it was called.

also to a lesser degree the Divine Mind. It was less a mix and more of a Psionic Cleric, but yeah.

 

[Zardnaar]

also to a lesser degree the Divine Mind. It was less a mix and more of a Psionic Cleric, but yeah.

I'm vaguely remembering the Complete Psion one of the most useless splatbooks I have ever bought.

 

[zghzgh1779]

Obviously I want both. Mixed psionic classes are traditional from 3e.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Psion should be a class, but there should also be subclasses. Psion shouldn't try to do everything.

 

[Yaarel]

If the name Psion returns for a separate class, then I feel the name Mystic is awesome for a Psionic Cleric, focusing on the flavor of transcendent consciousness.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Here is an alternative: Psychic as a race/subrace, modelled on the Eberron Dragonmarks.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I vote both.

I'd like to see a full Psion class (and will never consider 5E complete without such, unlike any other class we don't yet have, soz Warden and Warlord, love you guys but you ain't vital), and also subclasses for other classes which utilize the same mechanics, specifically Fighter and Rogue subclasses equivalent to EK and AT and possibly also a Monk subclass with a strong Psionic theme.