Should there be two Jedi classes?

[Don Carnage]

Just a quick poll.

 

[Staffan]

Personally, I think one is enough. Sure, one might say that there's a difference between the "doers" and the "thinkers", but I think that difference could be encompassed in a single class. Besides, Yoda is the archetypal "thinker" (Councellor) - and *who* whups the most butt in Attack of the Clones?

 

[Pbartender]

I'll play it with two classes, but...

One Jedi class, with plenty of Jedi PrCs, would have worked just as well.

 

[Faraer]

I think it's pretty clear that the two classes are a rules artefact for game balance purposes. Especially with no multiclassing allowed between them, the idea of a dualistic split doesn't work when everything we know says all Jedi are diplomat-warriors. What's irksome is when the source material writes this rules thing into the background text in an attempt to justify itself.

 

[Kesh]

I've always considered it a path. Apprentice to Knight to Master to... well, "wise man"/diplomat. Two classes don't seem to work well in my vision of the SW universe.

Then again, George Lucas I am not.

 

[Agback]

G'day

I would have liked to see a single Jedi class designed so that you could build a Jedi warrior by multiclassing with fighter (to get your BAB up), or a Jedi diplomat by multiclassing with Diplomat (to get interpersonal skills like Sense Motive and Diplomacy), or a Jedi starfighter ace by multiclassing with Spacer (to get astrogation and piloting skills and feats), or a Jedi scholar by multiclassing with Scholar (to get knowledge skills, research skills etc).

Regards,


Agback

 

[EarthsShadow]

If there was only one class, how would it be designed?

 

[DonAdam]

My single Jedi class is as follows:

HD: d8

Class skills: as per Jedi Master
Skill points/level: 6 + Int mod

BAB: Medium*
Fort: Medium
Ref: Medium
Will: Good
Def: Medium (Jedi Consular)
Rep: as per JC

Special- use Jedi Guardian progression

Starting feats: Martial Arts, Lightsaber, Force Sensitive

*With a lightsaber, a Jedi gains iterative attacks like a monk

Notes:
-In order to use this, you have to ignore any +1 BAB requirements. I think they're bunk to begin with in all d20 games, anyway. Otherwise, Jedi can't get Quick Draw, Weapon Focus, Weapon Finesse, etc, until 2nd level

-Most prestige classes can be hit after you reach Knight status, and I made a Jedi Contemplative that has wizard BAB, 8 skill points per level, force secrets, etc to represent the meditative tradition

-Jedi Master should go back to being a bonus feat instead of a class

 

[Agback]

If there was only one class, how would it be designed?

I haven't though about it in detail, but something like this:

Vitality: d8
BAB: as Jedi Consular
Saves:
skill points: 6 plus INT mod
class skills: Diplomacy, Knowledge, Profession, Sense Motive,
Read/Write Language
starting feats: Force Sensitive, blaster pistols, simple weapons,
Exotic Weapon proficiency (lightsabre),
specials: 1 Force Training
2 Force Training
3 a bonus Force feat
4 Force Training
5+ a bonus Force feat

I would intend, in developing this class, to make it markedly weaker than the existing Jedi classes. It would be designed to be beefed up by multiclassing with Soldier for BAB and bonus combat feats, or multiclassing with an interpersonal class (to be added) for interpersonal skills. I would replace the lightsabre special abilities with versions of combat feats, such as allowing a lightsabre to use Power Attack without the STR requirement, allowing the Combat Expertise bonus to defense to count against ranged weapons for a skilled lightsabre user with the 'Sense' feat, etc. This would encourage Jedi warriors to multiclass with soldier for bonus feats.

Under this scheme Jedi would outclass other classes to a lesser degree, and most characters would not get their third 'Force Training' feat until seventh or perhaps even eighth level: it would be more of a landmark. Or a character could concentrate of Force studies at the cost of reduced ability in combat or negotiations.

Regards,


Agback