Showdowdark Class Design: The Paladin! Live with Kelsey Dionne.

[darjr]

 

[Scribe]

No, the objections I'm hearing are on the grounds of game balance.

It's starting to feel like a bit of both. It started with a little lack of focus, but it feels like it's stepping on Fighter too.

 

[Scribe]

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Note the Lance changes lol

 

[WanderingMystic]

So this is the, you now have no reason to play a fighter class. Named blade went from just a bonus to hit to a bonus to hit and damage, the same as weapon master. I am trading possible more carrying space (which your mount can give you), and advantage on rarely used check for a great party survival ability and a mount.

 

[Bill Zebub]

It's starting to feel like a bit of both. It started with a little lack of focus, but it feels like it's stepping on Fighter too.

Oh, that kind of balance. Yeah, maybe.

The argument that "Well Paladins are a kind of Knight, so it makes to include Knight things" could be extended to "Well Knights are a kind of Fighter, so it also makes sense for the Paladin to include Fighter things."

No. Just, no. Not in Shadowdark.

Shadowdark isn't a game where you get to have everything that might conceivably be part of a concept. If you want that, go play 5e. And since you can't have everything...you only get a few things...they should really express the essence of that class.

 

[Scribe]

So this is the, you now have no reason to play a fighter class. Named blade went from just a bonus to hit to a bonus to hit and damage, the same as weapon master. I am trading possible more carrying space (which your mount can give you), and advantage on rarely used check for a great party survival ability and a mount.

Yeah, feels overboard at first blush.

 

[Bill Zebub]

So this is the, you now have no reason to play a fighter class. Named blade went from just a bonus to hit to a bonus to hit and damage, the same as weapon master. I am trading possible more carrying space (which your mount can give you), and advantage on rarely used check for a great party survival ability and a mount.

Fighter bonuses are approximately twice Paladin bonuses.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Lance is much improved. Statistically you're probably still better off attacking with your named blade, but hoping for a crit...however mathematically unsound a strategy...will still be fun.

 

[Micah Sweet]

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This looks pretty darn good. Does this address people's concerns?

 

[Scribe]

Shadowdark isn't a game where you get to have everything that might conceivably be part of a concept. If you want that, go play 5e. And since you can't have everything...you only get a few things...they should really express the essence of that class.

Yeah, agreed.