Simple monk question

[Dark Dragon]

Hi,

it seems to be a quite simple question, but I can't find the answer in the books.

Let's take a ftr 8/mnk 8. For calculation of his flurry attack (bonus and number of attacks), can I add in the fighter's BAB (which is +8)?

Thanks for helping,

Dark Dragon

 

[DanMcS]

A monk 8 has a BAB of +6 and can flurry at +5/+5/+0 (flurry and iterative). A fighter 8 has a BAB of +8.

You do NOT add the BAB of +6 and +8 and say that the monk gets improved flurry and greater flurry, or whatever; he is not flurrying at +14/+14/+14/+9/+4 (2 from flurry and 2 from iterative).

You DO get to add the BAB of +8 to the BAB of +6. That leaves him with +14, and he can flurry as a monk 8, so his flurry would be at +13/+13/+8/+3 (flurry and 2 iterative attacks)

 

[Yig]

I say yes since for a flurry it's your BAB with a penality.

Those 8 levels of fighter contribute to your BAB.

But of course only the monks levels count for the flutty penality/number of attacks.

 

[Squire James]

In 3.5e, there is no longer a distinction between "monk BAB" and any other sort of BAB. The monk levels provide 1 extra attack at full bonus at the cost of -1 to all attacks on a flurry of blows. So the Ftr8/Mnk8 with no Str bonus (yeah right) would have +13/+13/+8/+3 if he does a flurry of blows.

Yes, fighter levels really CAN make a monk better at general combat than a "pure" monk, in this case +2 BAB more. However, a pure monk would have SR 26 (among other things) at this point, so it's not like the Ftr/Mnk didn't give something up for it!

 

[isoChron]

They add up, but the unarmed damage of the ftr8/mnk8 (1d10) isn't the same as that of a monk 16 (2d8).

The penalty for flurry equalizes +1BAB from Fighter levels.

Monk 9 has no penalties for flurry any more and monk 11 can do one more flurry attack.

Monk 16 is 30ft. faster than Fighter 8 / Monk 8
Monk 16 has a better AC (2 more) than Ftr8/Mnk8
Monk 16 has 22 skillpoints more than Ftr8/Mnk8
Monk 16 has Dim.Door 1/day, Immunity to poison, Improved Evasion and, as already mentioned, SR 26.
Monk 16 has 16 Stunning Attacks vs. 8 Stuns Ftr8/Mnk8


Monk 16 misses 5 Feats vs. Ftr8/Mnk8
Monk 16 misses Martial Weapon Prof.
Monk 16 misses +2 BAB vs Ftr8/Mnk8

So Monk 16 would attack (at 10 STR) without Feats with
+12/+12/+12/+7/+2

and Ftr8/Mnk8 would attack with
+13/+13/+8/+1

 

[Terwox]

It might look a little better at Monk12/Fighter4 (again, just one BAB difference, but you pick up weapon specialization.)
Monk12/Fighter8 It's more different, as you pick up 2 BAB for not being a ((multiple of 4)+1) in the monk class twice (lose a BAB at monk13 and monk17,) plus you can pick up greater weapon focus, for another +1, and you already have flurry bonuses capped out. So you'd have +3 to hit, but you'd be missing all the other things isoChron mentioned.

Overall it's not TERRIBLY different, but don't forget about weapon specialization. Also, for monk8/fighter8, don't forget that the fighter would also have greater weapon focus, for an additional +1 to hit -- unless he wanted a different feat, of course.

Oh, I guess none of this is what was really being asked.
But yeah, as stated, the fighter BAB adds to the attack bonus for the flurry attacks, but does not add to the monk level for number of attacks -- I believe there's a column in the 3.5 PHB which tells you how much to add, but others have already done the math.

 

[Dark Dragon]

Nice Thanks a lot for the help!

 

[Tatsukun]

Short answer, yea, add the BAB's, just like any other class.

Side answer, our group has found the monk to be weak, so we have upped the BAB to full (like a fighter). We figure if the Paladin can get full BAB and extra powers, so can the monk.

So far, only one person has taken Monk, and she didn't dominate the group's other fighters.

Good luck!

-Tatsu

 

[RigaMortus]

Short answer, yea, add the BAB's, just like any other class.

Side answer, our group has found the monk to be weak, so we have upped the BAB to full (like a fighter). We figure if the Paladin can get full BAB and extra powers, so can the monk.

So far, only one person has taken Monk, and she didn't dominate the group's other fighters.

Good luck!

-Tatsu

Yeah, but the Monk has far more "powers" and far more useful powers than a Paladin. Don't ya think?

 

[Darklone]

Yeah, but the Monk has far more "powers" and far more useful powers than a Paladin. Don't ya think?

I think the monk has more choices... but more useful powers? Nah!