Skill points
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Ok
But what if a PC puts on an Int-enhancing item? I know he doesn't gain Skill Points or Languages retroactively, but if he's wearing it when he levels up, does he gain skill points from the enhanced Int? What if he loses it after leveling with it in his possession - does he lose skill points retroactively in this instance?
But what if a PC puts on an Int-enhancing item? I know he doesn't gain Skill Points or Languages retroactively, but if he's wearing it when he levels up, does he gain skill points from the enhanced Int? What if he loses it after leveling with it in his possession - does he lose skill points retroactively in this instance?
Think of it as Int representing your ability to learn. If you suddenly become smarter, that doesn't mean you learned more stuff three years ago. You might be better able to *use* the stuff you learned three years ago, but that's covered by having Int modify certain skills. The same if you get stupid - you don't forget stuff, but you will learn slower in the future.
And because it is oftenn brought up in the same discussions: Constitution/hit points don't work that way. Higher Con makes you tougher *now* which is why a Con change results in an immediate HP change as well.
That said, I think the real reason is that changing skills retroactively is a much bigger accounting headache than changing hp.
And because it is oftenn brought up in the same discussions: Constitution/hit points don't work that way. Higher Con makes you tougher *now* which is why a Con change results in an immediate HP change as well.
That said, I think the real reason is that changing skills retroactively is a much bigger accounting headache than changing hp.
Hypersmurf
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Also note that there are contradictory examples given in the PHB. If adding a point of Intelligence at level 4 increases your modifier, it is unclear whether you start getting an extra skill point at level 4 or at level 5...
(From memory, the example of adding an attribute point gives Mialee an extra skill point at level 4, but elsewhere the implication is that the skill bonus doesn't kick in until the next level...)
-Hyp.
(From memory, the example of adding an attribute point gives Mialee an extra skill point at level 4, but elsewhere the implication is that the skill bonus doesn't kick in until the next level...)
-Hyp.
CRGreathouse
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...except that there's an explicit example stating otherwise...Crothian said:
Hypersmurf
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And to be completely pedantic, p145 just says "make these changes"... it doesn't say "in order".
-Hyp.
-Hyp.
Oooh, I like pedantic.
Personally, IMC I allow for retroactive Skill points based on level-based Int gain, Inherent Int gain, and Racial Int gain (and possibly other permanent sources that aren't Enhancement based).
I don't let Enhancement bonuses, even permanent ones, give characters extra skills.
Personally, IMC I allow for retroactive Skill points based on level-based Int gain, Inherent Int gain, and Racial Int gain (and possibly other permanent sources that aren't Enhancement based).
I don't let Enhancement bonuses, even permanent ones, give characters extra skills.
