Skillpoints and later gained Intelligence

[Quirhid]

This might be a small thing, but it has troubled me for a long time. Long enough, so I decided to ask it here.

You receive skillpoints every level up according to your characters intelligence score. When your Int score is raised later on either by wish, other magical effect or naturaly after few levels. Does this boost affect your previous skillpoints too or just there on?

Please give me an answer that applies with the rules, not some thing that some DM has set.

 

[Artoomis]

Skill points from raised intelligence scores apply from that level on (only) per the rules as written.

 

[CalrinAlshaw]

Yep, basically, if you have 17(+3) and your level 3 human wizard you have a total of...36 skill points(6x4 for first level, +12 for 2 levels), at level 4 you raise your int to 18(+4) and at THAT level(level 4 that is) and beyond you have 7 skill points a level.

Calrin Alshaw

 

[Dr_Rictus]

The way to think of it is that intelligence doesn't modify your skill point total, it modifies the rate at which you gain skill points as you go up in levels. Once you've got the points, you've got 'em.

 

[Staffan]

Also, it makes things easier if Int changes during play - especially if it's lowered. What skills would you drop if you lowered Int? What would happen if you regained the Int you lost?

On the other hand, retroactive skill points are easier when making a high-level character from scratch, since you don't have to bother with *when* you increased your Int.

 

[dcollins]

See PHB ch. 9, "Experience and Levels: Level Advancement: Skill Points".

 

[Coredump]

Lets complicate things then....

You have Int 18 when you create the character, and make it until level 7 when (for whatever reason) you lose a point of Int. Do you lose those 10 skill points?


You have Int 14 character, and at level 6 picks up a +4 Int headband. You wear it until level 10, when it is stolen/dispelled/lost/whatever. Do you lose those 8 skill points?

You have a Int 14 character at level 10, and get a +4 Int headband. A game week later you go up a level. Two game days later you lose the headband. Do you keep the 2 skill points?

You have a character with a +4 int headband who goes up a level, two game days later he gives the headband to another party member, who soon goes up a level, who then passes the headband to the next in line, etc. etc.
No real question, just a scenario

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[CalrinAlshaw]

The only things that I think should be allowed to affect skill points are Inherent bonus's to Int (Manuals or Wish spell) and gaining a point every 4 levels starting at 4th.

Seriously, do you people wear your finest jewelry in the shower? HELL NO, you take it off to keep it from running down the drain. Thus, that is why I think enhancement bonus's shouldn't be allowed to give more skill points.

Now, as for LOSING Int, they don't LOSE skill points they have already learned, just as they don't retroactively GAIN skill points either.

Calrin Alshaw

 

[Diirk]

Lets complicate things then....

You have Int 18 when you create the character, and make it until level 7 when (for whatever reason) you lose a point of Int. Do you lose those 10 skill points?

No, you keep them.

You have Int 14 character, and at level 6 picks up a +4 Int headband. You wear it until level 10, when it is stolen/dispelled/lost/whatever. Do you lose those 8 skill points?

You have a Int 14 character at level 10, and get a +4 Int headband. A game week later you go up a level. Two game days later you lose the headband. Do you keep the 2 skill points?

You have a character with a +4 int headband who goes up a level, two game days later he gives the headband to another party member, who soon goes up a level, who then passes the headband to the next in line, etc. etc.
No real question, just a scenario

Only permanent increases to int increase skillpoints... this very specifically does not include headbands of intellect. It would include inherent bonuses from wishes/manuals. So no, you wouldn't lose any skill points... but neither would you have gained any in the first place.

 

[Quirhid]

Thanks for every one! But still...

Also, it makes things easier if Int changes during play - especially if it's lowered. What skills would you drop if you lowered Int? What would happen if you regained the Int you lost?

...Staffan has a point. It is easier to make higher level characters that way, but I'm OK with the rules that are written.