Smack the monk

['o Skoteinos]

Maximum number of attacks depends on the number of weapons and spells slots of 6th level and higher:

20th level sorcerer with the Gestalt Spell (BoEM2):

assuming a charisma that allows for 1 bonus spell for each level, you have the following number of spells available:
7 (6th) + 7 (7th) + 7 (8th) + 7 (9th) = 28.

Take 26 commoners, 1 druid with the Multidexterity and Multi-Weapon Fighitng geats, 1 20th level fighter (for the weapon proficiencies and the Monkey Grip feat).

Assuming they all fail their saves (because they are willing), you have 29 * 2 = 58 arms.

Assuming you have 58 greatswords, you get a lot of attack, something like this:

+16 (58 times)/ +11 / +5 / +1.

I don't know if I can add Improved Two-Weapon Fighting or weapons of speed (58 of them ) or other things, but for a lot of attacks, this is the way to go...

 

[Ferret]

All that with a monk ?

 

[James McMurray]

Actually, I forgot Greater TWF gives you your normal attacks with your off hand. So (without any multi-arm stuff) you'd have:

5: main hand
5: off hand
1: Speed
1: Speed off hand
1: Haste
1: Hustle
1: Righteous Wrath

That's 15. If we add the epic level we get one more from Sohei.

Yowch!

 

[hong]

Actually, I forgot Greater TWF gives you your normal attacks with your off hand. So (without any multi-arm stuff) you'd have:

5: main hand
5: off hand
1: Speed
1: Speed off hand
1: Haste
1: Hustle
1: Righteous Wrath

That's 15. If we add the epic level we get one more from Sohei.

Yowch!

Note that the flurry of blows is not the same as fighting with two weapons, although the mechanics are similar. Nothing about the Greater TWF feat says that it applies to flurrying.

Whether two weapons of speed stack is an open question, but that they don't stack with haste is certain.

All up, you could get

4: main hand
4: off-hand
1: haste
1: hustle
1: RW
(maybe 1: extra weapon of speed)

Total: 11 or 12, depending.

 

[James McMurray]

Sorry, missed the bit about haste i that line up (even though I caught in all my others, go figure). However, you would get 5 attacks with each hand, given that a 20th level moonk gets 5 attacks from BAB.

That gives 13 (or 14 if speed stacks).

 

[hong]

Sorry, missed the bit about haste i that line up (even though I caught in all my others, go figure). However, you would get 5 attacks with each hand, given that a 20th level moonk gets 5 attacks from BAB.

??? A 20th level monk has BAB +15, which gives 3 attacks. If you want to get the unarmed iterative attacks, you have to use flurry of blows.

 

[Crothian]

How are you getting equal attacks with the off hand? And doesn't the monk specifically say that two weapon fighting doesn't make sense for them?

 

[James McMurray]

Crothian:
Doh! I just realized it is called Perfect Two Weapon fighting!

Perfect two-weapon fighting is from the epic level handbook (previewed in the last Dungeon mag.). It requires TWF, ITWF, and GTWF. It gives you your standard iterative attacks with both hands.

TWF doesn't make sense for monks that are fighting unarmed. But if you give them two weaopns, then it becomes useful again. If those weapons are nunchuku, they get their UBAB iterative attacks for them.

Hong: A monk using Nunchuku gets to use his UBAB, and his iterative attacks.

From the SRD:

A monk using a kama, nunchaku, or siangham can strike with his or her unarmed base attack, including her more favorable number of attacks per round

 

[hong]

TWF doesn't make sense for monks that are fighting unarmed. But if you give them two weaopns, then it becomes useful again. If those weapons are nunchuku, they get their UBAB iterative attacks for them.

Hong: A monk using Nunchuku gets to use his UBAB, and his iterative attacks.

And such a character uses the flurry ability if she wants to take advantage of the beneficial iterative rate.

From the PHB, p.39: "A monk may also use the flurry of blows if armed with a special monk weapon.... If armed with one such weapon, she makes the extra attack either with that weapon or unarmed. If armed with two such weapons, she uses one for the regular attack (or attacks) and the other for the extra attack."

 

[James McMurray]

That quote just means that a monk can get an extra attack with a monk weapon at only -2 without needing ambidexterity and two-weapon fighting. However, if they want more than that (i.e. improved TWF or beyond) they need the feats. It doesn't say anywhere that they lose their monk iterative attacks if they pick up these feats though, so they should still get 5 attacks per hand at 20th level.