Sneak Attack Charger

[Herzog]

I'd suggest Barbarian 1(Pounce ACF)/Ranger x/Scout x/Tempest
With Expeditious Dodge (Races of the Wild), Swift Hunter (for stacking scout and ranger), Improved Skirmish (and spring attack/mobility to qualify for tempest of course)

Drop the SA idea. if you're going to 'pounce' anyway, skirmish damage is much easier AND easier to upgrade (improved skirmish feat!) AND gives an AC bonus as well.

 

[Omegaxicor]

I doubt Races of Wild is available, all the Races of... books and the things from Eberron or Faerun are usually unavailable

I just checked Improved Skirmish it looks kinda...pointless if it worked more like 'for every 10" you move you double you bonus' (taking into account D&D multipliers) then it would be good...although charging from 300" would be amazingly OP

Barbarian 1/Scout 1/Ranger X/Tempest (doesn't that incur an Xp penalty?)

 

[Herzog]

Tempest doesn't incur XP penalty, since it's a Prestige Class.
If human or half-elf, you can ignore your highest level class when calculating XP penalty, in this case ranger.
barbarian and scout are within 1 level of eachother, so don't incur xp penalty.

I used to think humans could designate ANY class as their favored class, and had a barbarian 1/ranger4/scout4 before I (and the DM) realised my mistake.... and I had to take the 20% penalty.

 

[Omegaxicor]

Ah OK, I was thinking of a normal race, not Human (which is what I would be without a good reason)

Would it be better to be a Barbarian 1/Ranger 1/Scout X or Barbarian 1/Scout 1/Ranger X?

 

[Duke Arioch]

I don't know if you can use these, but, there is a fighter variant that grants SA instead of bonus feats... That is really neat if you are pouncing, since you get high BAB.
But, barbarian 1/rog 3/scout16 is much, much better.
Also, don't forget whirling frenzy variant for barbarian. Might be better for you than standard rage.

P.S. ToB is all but ill thought out. Just sayin'

 

[Herzog]

Would it be better to be a Barbarian 1/Ranger 1/Scout X or Barbarian 1/Scout 1/Ranger X

Depends which class abilities appeal to you.
Swift Hunter makes scout and ranger levels stack for Skirmish Dmg+AC and favored enemy bonusses.
If you want TWF from ranger, you need scout 1/ranger x.
If you want fast movement, flawless stride etc, you need ranger 1/scout x.

If you have an interest in abilities from the lower levels of both ranger and scout, you could take scout x/ranger x, but that would mean your barbarian lvl would make you eat xp penalty.

 

[Omegaxicor]

[MENTION=53505]Duke[/MENTION] I would have used the SA Fighter but the feat specifically says Rogue levels not Levels which grant SA. The Whirling Frenzy variant was kinda assumed but thanks for mentioning it

X/Scout 16 doesn't include Tempest or are you saying it is best I ignore Tempest and just stick with Scout?

[MENTION=25696]Herzog[/MENTION] The Ranger variant without spellcasting grants Fast Movement, doesn't it?

 

[Herzog]

@Omegaxicor I'm not aware of a ranger variant granting fast movement. There are several ranger variants without spellcasting. which one are you referring to?

Edit: never mind, found it.
The ranger variant that grants fast movement is in UA, gives fast movement as a barbarian (which should probably means it doesn't stack with the barbarian fast movement) and wild shape to small and medium animals, in exchange for your combat style feats.

Since you want to do TWF pounce, you probably don't want to give those up.....

 

[Omegaxicor]

no, I meant the Ranger from Complete Warrior Pg 13

 

[Herzog]

you are absolutely right.

I usually ignore that variant because it grants abilities starting at lvl 6 in place of abilities that start at lvl 4. And since I'm a bit of a mix-and-match multiclasser and usually play in relatively low-level campaigns, ability gain at lower levels is better..

Not that both that enhancement and the barbarian's enhancement are untyped bonusses, while the scouts is an enhancement bonus.
If you get all three, you gain a total of +30 on your movement.