Sneak Attack With a Thrown Weapon

[MichaelH]

Remember that when a rogue is eligible to score a sneak attack, it only applies to the first attack of that given round.

Mikebr99 adequately responded to this above. I was just curious as to where you got this idea in the first place?

 

[Darklone]

Mikebr99 adequately responded to this above. I was just curious as to where you got this idea in the first place?

No idea. Someone posts it every two weeks here... it seems to be a common houserule that many people take for real.

 

[Hypersmurf]

FLANKING
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by a character or creature friendly to you on the opponent’s opposite border or opposite corner.

You do need to threaten a creature in melee and you must have an ally opposite of your opponent who also threatens. Since whips do not allow one to threaten, they never get a flanking bonus nor do they help someone to do so. Why does a peerless archer have a threat range of 10’ with a bow? Is this a prestige class special ability? A feat?

Read it again.

Flanking requires two things.

1. You must make a melee attack.
2. Your ally must threaten.

A whip allows you to make a melee attack, fulfilling condition 1. Even though you aren't threatening, that's not required. You're only required to make a melee attack. As long as your ally threatens, you're flanking.

And yes, Ranged Threat is a Peerless Archer prestige class special ability, that allows him to threaten 10 feet with his bow as if it were a reach weapon (so he doesn't threaten adjacent squares).

-Hyp.

 

[Bauglir]

FLANKING
When making a melee attack, you get a +2 flanking bonus if your opponent is threatened by a character or creature friendly to you on the opponent’s opposite border or opposite corner.
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You do need to threaten a creature in melee and you must have an ally opposite of your opponent who also threatens. Since whips do not allow one to threaten, they never get a flanking bonus nor do they help someone to do so. Why does a peerless archer have a threat range of 10’ with a bow? Is this a prestige class special ability? A feat?

"When making a melee attack"

Note that unarmed attacks (without IAS or monk levels) are melee attacks (and therefore qualify for flanking bonuses), which can be made without threatening your target. I'm not so clear on whips, but I believe that although the weapon is considered ranged for most purposes, attacks with the whip are still melee attacks, and thus eligible for flanking bonuses.

 

[Darklone]

Bauglir: Whips are not considered ranged weapons anymore...

 

[Ranger REG]

Read it again.

Flanking requires two things.

1. You must make a melee attack.
2. Your ally must threaten.

A whip allows you to make a melee attack, fulfilling condition 1. Even though you aren't threatening, that's not required. You're only required to make a melee attack. As long as your ally threatens, you're flanking.

And yes, Ranged Threat is a Peerless Archer prestige class special ability, that allows him to threaten 10 feet with his bow as if it were a reach weapon (so he doesn't threaten adjacent squares).

Hyp is right.

In order for you to gain flanking bonus, your ally on the opposite side must threaten the opponent between you two.

In order for your ally to gain flanking bonus, you must threaten.

It's possible that only one (you or your ally) will gain the flanking bonus.

 

[rrealm]

He would only get the sneak attack if the target was flat-footed since the rogue would not be flanking (using a ranged weapon) nor would he get the +2 bonus to hit (since he is not flanking). A rogue in this situation should make a bluff check and feint in combat which would allow him on his next turn to make a sneak attack - even if it is ranged. Remember that when a rogue is eligible to score a sneak attack, it only applies to the first attack of that given round.

I was mixing this:

Volley Type Attacks

Sometimes, you make multiple attacks with the same attack roll, such as when you use the Manyshot feat, or you make multiple attack rolls as part of the same attack, such as with the scorching ray spell. When you do so, only the first attack in the volley can be a sneak attack.

WotC: Rules of the game: sneak attack part 4​

With this:

Number of Sneak Attacks

Provided it is possible for you to make a sneak attack at all, you can make multiple sneak attacks when you use the full attack action. For example, if you have a higher initiative result at the beginning of an encounter, your foe is flat-footed and every attack you make is a sneak attack. The same is true if you flank your foe.

Anything that allows you to make extra attacks during the full attack action gets you extra sneak attacks as well: fighting with two weapons, the haste spell, and the monk's flurry of blows are the most common ways of getting extra attacks.

Remember the earlier note about invisibility effects, however. If you're relying on invisibility to set up a sneak attack, you'll only have the effect for the first attack you make during your turn. You'll still get all your extra attacks, but only the first will be a sneak attack. You don't have this problem if you're using a greaterinvisibility effect.

WotC: Rules of the game: sneak attack part 3​

Good to know the rules.

 

[Bauglir]

Bauglir: Whips are not considered ranged weapons anymore...

*looks it up*

Ah yes that's right - it's a melee weapon now that follows some of the mechanics of a ranged weapon (does not threaten, provokes AoO), rather than the reverse as it was in 3e.

Whips are pretty much never taken in our games, so the rule doesn't come up often (and we're still mired in 3e too)