sniff sniff...Do I smell 2nd edition mistakes?

[seankreynolds]

1/ mithral breastplate to be precise.

Hmm, did I miss something? My PH 3.5 says druids are proficient in light and medium armor but still can't wear metal armor at all. So I don't know where you guys are getting this "chain shirt" and "mithral breastplate" stuff.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Hmm, did I miss something? My PH 3.5 says druids are proficient in light and medium armor but still can't wear metal armor at all. So I don't know where you guys are getting this "chain shirt" and "mithral breastplate" stuff.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20050107a&page=2

The Fochulan Lyrist loosens the Druid's restrictions...though it does require three classes to get into.

 

[Mad Mac]

Just out of curiousity, about the Hulking Hurler thing...where are they supposedly getting this unlimited supply of 3 ton boulders, anyways?

I mean, setting aside the need to get DM approval to play a non-standard race with racial Hit Dice and a hefty level adjustment...

Or that, to really make it take off, you also have to get your DM to allow the rarely seen, clearly not intended for PC's, War Hulk...

But really, rocks the size of hamlets certainly don't spring out of thin air, and I don't see the theoritical hulking hurler being able to scoop up a conveinently placed hurling implement of optimal weight every time they stretch out their hands.

Granted, he could maybe commission himself a nice, big, rock, or ball of lead or something, and haul that around, but it's still just one projectile, and by the rules, he'd barely be able to stagger around when holding it...not the most portable of weapons, me thinks.

Not to mention the logistics of trying to get through a high-level adventure just trudging along, rolling your big sphere of doom in front of you. No city or other civilian building is going to allow that monstrosity, and it's not going to fit into most dungeons either. Not to mention adventures that require swimming, mountain climbing, flying....

Plus, rocks the size of ski slopes are prone to splitting and such when thrown around all the time. It's easy to argue that such weapons are assumed broken upon use, like ammunition. At the very least, it would qualify as an improvised weapon and thus be subject to breaking at inconvenient times.

But hey, that's just me. I wouldn't let someone qualify for a Prc by just wearing a ring of evasion , either, so what do I know?

 

[DungeonMaster]

DungeonMaster is a well known..(insert favorite term here. "Troll", "Passionate Writer", whatever) on the Wizards boards. His most infamous thread was the one where he switched his name from Daelack to DungeonMaster midthread, in order to conjure up someone who agreed with him. He's best ignored, in my experience.

Just because I find the irony amusing... I lost the screen name Dalaeck precisely because I was yelling at a moron who was actually was using a different name to bolster his arguments.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=180793&page=3
He even registered his new screen name as "BGOAMS" from "GOAMS".
I thought I could absorb another hit in the 3rd vs. 3.5 debate but forgot about the GOAMs incident, to get some regular 3.5 zealots baned of course (they were openly conspiring to get me banned).
Not that I care about my "online reputation", I wouldn't take the same name if I did.
Out of curiosity who the hell are you mad mac?
Try a portable hole or just using 1/3 of your medium load incidentally.
Those are nice houserules but they sadly don't reflect the quality of the actual rules.

 

[FireLance]

Never mind.

 

[woodelf]

Good luck finding more customers on your side who does not want more prestige classes.

Well, you've got me. So there're at least 2 of us.

 

[Storyteller01]

Just out of curiousity, about the Hulking Hurler thing...where are they supposedly getting this unlimited supply of 3 ton boulders, anyways?

I mean, setting aside the need to get DM approval to play a non-standard race with racial Hit Dice and a hefty level adjustment...

Or that, to really make it take off, you also have to get your DM to allow the rarely seen, clearly not intended for PC's, War Hulk...

But really, rocks the size of hamlets certainly don't spring out of thin air, and I don't see the theoritical hulking hurler being able to scoop up a conveinently placed hurling implement of optimal weight every time they stretch out their hands.

Granted, he could maybe commission himself a nice, big, rock, or ball of lead or something, and haul that around, but it's still just one projectile, and by the rules, he'd barely be able to stagger around when holding it...not the most portable of weapons, me thinks.

Not to mention the logistics of trying to get through a high-level adventure just trudging along, rolling your big sphere of doom in front of you. No city or other civilian building is going to allow that monstrosity, and it's not going to fit into most dungeons either. Not to mention adventures that require swimming, mountain climbing, flying....

Plus, rocks the size of ski slopes are prone to splitting and such when thrown around all the time. It's easy to argue that such weapons are assumed broken upon use, like ammunition. At the very least, it would qualify as an improvised weapon and thus be subject to breaking at inconvenient times.

But hey, that's just me. I wouldn't let someone qualify for a Prc by just wearing a ring of evasion , either, so what do I know?

Hmmmm...... Giant lead ball of distance and returning come to mind (insidious and scary . Relatively cheap, too).

 

[woodelf]

I am not so sure that things are as bad as some people think. The 3rd ed material and the 2nd ed material are vastly different from one another. The 3rd ed material is far and away better and more useful (though the editing is a problem).

If you mean "useful" as in "utilitarian" (a relatively objective measure), rather than "of interest to you" (almost entirely subjective), then, yes, i agree--3E material is generally more utilitarian, while 2nd ed material was generally more inspirational. If, like me, you're good at working out teh utilitarian aspects, possibly even on-the-fly in you game, but always looking for more inspiration, then AD&D2 stuff will be of more interest. If, on the other hand, you are more comfortable with well-codified rules, probably doen by others, but those same rules provide jumping-off points for inspiration, you'll be happier with D&D3E stuff.

I think one of the strongest benefits that 3rd ed products have going for them is the creativity that is far and away better than the kind of stuff that came out before. Libris Mortis and Fostburn are really brilliant, so it is not like they are just putting out trash.

Again, creativity in mechanics, yes, but creativity of ideas? No.

 

[Henry]

Ladies and gentlemen, I hate to say it, but this thread is getting too heated, and people are attacking one another directly. I'm going to close this thread, and ask that everyone give the topic a rest for a few days. With the going back and forth "it is", "not it isn't", "yes, it is", it's not doing anyone any good and certainly not going anywhere.

Thread Closed.