D&D 5E So, 5e OGL

[GMforPowergamers]

OK, I took 5 days away... and the arguments have barely changed...

I was accusing him of tossing around "bad and harmful" for things that were a nuisance to him and ignoring things that caused people to lose their jobs and a number of RPG companies to go under. It is not inconsistent necessarily, but it is disproportionate.

I toss around BAD pretty easily... good bad and indifferent are opinions, and contrary to a lot of opinions in this thread, they are feelings that doesn't need to be justified at all... BAD is what I feel about the long term effects of the OGL, and why I hope if 5e has a license (witch I hope it does) it is more like the 4e one then the 3e one...
As for HARMFUL, as in to cause harm... I believe that it did cause harm to individuals and the hobby as a whole, I believe I have stated all of my points many times, if you want me to repeat them I shall...

for now I will point out that had the OGL never existed then the switch from 3.0 to 3.5 would not have cost as many people there jobs... so in my mind you have made a point for NOT redoing the ogl...

 

[prosfilaes]

I toss around BAD pretty easily... good bad and indifferent are opinions, and contrary to a lot of opinions in this thread, they are feelings that doesn't need to be justified at all...

And I feel it's BAD to express opinions that don't need to be justified at all on a discussion board, since if you can't justify your position, there's no way to discuss the issue; it just produces heat and annoyance, not discussion.

As for HARMFUL, as in to cause harm... I believe that it did cause harm to individuals and the hobby as a whole,

Everything causes HARM. You haven't bothered to weigh that harm.

for now I will point out that had the OGL never existed then the switch from 3.0 to 3.5 would not have cost as many people there jobs...

Many of them would have been lost upon the creation of 3.0; many of them never would have had jobs in the first place, as their companies never could have come into existence without the OGL.

In any case, if you're saying it was BAD for Paizo to create Pathfinder, was it BAD for WotC to create 3.5 (given that everything past had already happened)? Or are we more concerned about a few arguments then people's livelihoods?

 

[Nylanfs]

Well, another month and no news from WotC. :-(

 

[jmucchiello]

I think that what jmucchiello had in mind was the OGL used as a licence for printing material derivative of the 3E or 3.5 SRD.

If you don't use classes and levels, then you need some other way to generate the bonuses to the d20 rolls that are at the core of 3E/3.5 action resolution. Points buy (as per the 3E skill system) is one natural way to do it. I don't know M&M except by reputation, but I gather it uses an approach that combines points buy with caps.

Yes, I was replying to the assertion that after the OGL saturation of the RPG market, class and level systems were everywhere. And while that is true, a lot of OGL games were class and level then, it was ironic that the OGL system with the greatest success that directly derived from the WotC SRD was a classless system: M&M.

M&M is essentially Champions/HERO with d20 mechanics.

 

[Nylanfs]

Well, another month and no news from WotC. :-(

 

[CapnZapp]

Please let this thread die. As they say, no news is NO NEWS.

If (and that's a big if) an 5e OGL ever happens, it will be easy to start new ones - no need to reuse this one. And in the meanwhile, there is nothing left to be said.

 

[Remathilis]

Please let this thread die. As they say, no news is NO NEWS.

If (and that's a big if) an 5e OGL ever happens, it will be easy to start new ones - no need to reuse this one. And in the meanwhile, there is nothing left to be said.

I dunno... I get enjoyment out of watching you complain about it every month.

 

[Morrus]

Please let this thread die. As they say, no news is NO NEWS.

If (and that's a big if) an 5e OGL ever happens, it will be easy to start new ones - no need to reuse this one. And in the meanwhile, there is nothing left to be said.

Haven't we had words before about you telling people where and how they should post? Please stop doing that.

 

[Yaarel]

Well, another month and no news from WotC. :-(

Possibly, this is good news?

Sometimes, WotC is silent before they are about to publish something.

 

[Jester David]

I dunno... I get enjoyment out of watching you complain about it every month.

I also enjoy the massive thread as a reminder of how much attention the subject has gained.

Possibly, this is good news?

Sometimes, WotC is silent before they are about to publish something.

And sometimes WotC is silent because they're hoping people will forget about the subject.