So, as a conclusion, a rogue is proficient in Kukuri or not?

[Shin Okada]

I know this has been debated again and again. Then, have we got any official answer by now? At least, I can't find this topic on WotC's FAQ files. Does "dagger (any type)" include Kukuri?

 

[Darklone]

Nope it does not. Why should it be? It does not have to be said either that a falchion is no axe

Sure, I'd understand your arguing, but this game has never been logical

 

[Shin Okada]

Nope it does not. Why should it be? It does not have to be said either that a falchion is no axe

Sure, I'd understand your arguing, but this game has never been logical

Well, some claims so because the descriptive text of Kukuri in PHB start as "This heavy, curved dagger....". On the other hand, Falchion's text start as "This sword...."

IMHO this rule can be taken in either way. But I just want to know if there is official statement regarding this topic.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

There isn't an official word, Shin, but in all honesty I don't think there ever will be, unless you email the Sage or something.

Anything that has it's own entry on the Weapons list is considered an individual weapon. The kukri is listed independently of the dagger, which means that it's not the same as a dagger.

Therefore no, rogues are not proficient with it, unless the spend the appropriate feat.

 

[Shin Okada]

There isn't an official word, Shin, but in all honesty I don't think there ever will be, unless you email the Sage or something.

Anything that has it's own entry on the Weapons list is considered an individual weapon. The kukri is listed independently of the dagger, which means that it's not the same as a dagger.

Therefore no, rogues are not proficient with it, unless the spend the appropriate feat.

The problem is the word "(any type)". It is clear that dagger, punching dagger, and Kukuri are all different weapon. No doubt. And thus you need to take separate weapon feats (proficiency, finesse, focus, specialization, improved critical, etc.) for each weapon. But as the rogue's descriptive text says, "dagger (any type)", it seems that a rogue is at least proficient in punching dagger also. Then the question arises, how about Kukuri? Or any other daggers in additional supplements?

Anyway, it seems that no official answer has been ever made for it. So it should be up to each DM IMHO.

 

[Hypersmurf]

In case it means anything to anyone, in the Gamestoppers article on the WotC website where Lidda is Swallowed Whole, she complains about not being proficient with the magic Kukri she's been carrying around.

-Hyp.

 

[Shin Okada]

In case it means anything to anyone, in the Gamestoppers article on the WotC website where Lidda is Swallowed Whole, she complains about not being proficient with the magic Kukri she's been carrying around.

-Hyp.

Hmm. So Kukuri is not included in "dagger (any type)" for that purpose. Then maybe only dagger and punching dagger?

 

[bret]

In case it means anything to anyone, in the Gamestoppers article on the WotC website where Lidda is Swallowed Whole, she complains about not being proficient with the magic Kukri she's been carrying around.

-Hyp.

Considering how many rules errors are typically made in a gamestoppers column, it shouldn't mean much. Hopefully this is an area that they will clarify with the 3.5 revision of the rules.

Until then, I agree that it is up to each GM to decide.

 

[IanB]

Since medium rogues are proficient in rapier, I allow small rogues to be proficient in small rapiers - which when scaled down are essentially the same as a kukri, stat-wise.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Considering how many rules errors are typically made in a gamestoppers column...

That's why I qualified it

After all, the reason she needed the kukri was because it was the only tiny slashing weapon she had... even though Swallow Whole was errata'd to allow piercing weapons (for some bizarre, unfathomable reason) as well.

-Hyp.