So Cyberpunk 2077

[MarkB]

Not sure why damning or not convincing, but then I've seen how it works on the inside. I've seen where something is working on one platform, so they use it for reviews and media, with the assumption that the other platform will 'get there'. And it can seem quite plausible, though it's never as certain as they think it is in my experience.

The damning part is their admission that, despite last-gen consoles (which, bear in mind, were current-gen up until literally weeks before the game's launch) being almost certainly the game's largest user base, they were optimising the game for PC first, current-gen consoles second, and last-gen consoles a distant third.

The not-convincing part is the assertion that they had any real expectation of being able to finish optimising the game for last-gen consoles by the time the game launched.

 

[chuckdee]

The damning part is their admission that, despite last-gen consoles (which, bear in mind, were current-gen up until literally weeks before the game's launch) being almost certainly the game's largest user base, they were optimising the game for PC first, current-gen consoles second, and last-gen consoles a distant third.

The not-convincing part is the assertion that they had any real expectation of being able to finish optimising the game for last-gen consoles by the time the game launched.

Optomization is done last. That is a standard practice. You build for it, but you do optimizations and performance testing last. He said that they saw that the PC was close to their numbers and they were seeing improvements when they announced release. Some time between that announcement (which already saw blow back) and the final days, the curve of improvements changed. That happens. It's bad decision making in my opinion to rely on that, and I think that decisions should be made on what's in front of you- but I've been bitten by it before, and in my case, the CEO was breathing down our necks to get it fixed and cleaned up rather than owning up to the fault that it was his own management and himself that allowed it to happen.

 

[MGibster]

Is it just me, or does it seem like they were developing a whole story line involving Holt using cyberpsychos to assassinate the mayor and at some point they just dropped it?

 

[MarkB]

Is it just me, or does it seem like they were developing a whole story line involving Holt using cyberpsychos to assassinate the mayor and at some point they just dropped it?

A lot of the stuff around the mayoral race seems partially developed. The Dream On quest line with the Peralezes, as disturbingly compelling as it is, eventually just fizzles out. I'm thinking maybe they'll expand upon this as a set of DLC quests involving a larger corporate/political conspiracy.

 

[trappedslider]

A lot of the stuff around the mayoral race seems partially developed. The Dream On quest line with the Peralezes, as disturbingly compelling as it is, eventually just fizzles out. I'm thinking maybe they'll expand upon this as a set of DLC quests involving a larger corporate/political conspiracy.

I don't remember at which point but if you look around, you'll see Mr. Blue hands who appears in one of the endings offering you a job dealing with an orbital casino.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I found the statement interesting because it goes into a bit more on what is behind the issues. A lot of it seems to be related to their "streaming" system that allows them to more or less seamlessly load parts of the map. They probably have to make compromises for available memory, but another factor is the speed of the hard drive. Today I learned that some of the "lastgen" consoles actually can be equipped with an external SSD and that can boost the performance of the game considerably. So if you intend to stay with your console and worry about running out of hard disk space anyway, consider that as an option,it will probably help you for many games.

I play on a PC with an SSD and all, so it's not really an issue for me. I think the bugs I see are not that much related to performance, a

I am on my second play-through, this time on a male V with a Nomad origin. It took quite some time until I got used to the voice actor. Fun thing is you can get your Nomad car from the intro back at some point. It's fairly decent, good speed (but other cars are faster). I always try to take it now when I am heading to Panam. On my female V, I really fell in love with the Nomad version of the Quadra-66. Good handling and one of the fastest car in the game IIRC, and it would have been a natural fit for this V, too, but that would be boring.

 

[TheAlkaizer]

I cannot in good conscience trust most of what he says.

I work in video games development. He said that they were the final decision makers but never intended for anything that happened to happen. They either tested their game at least once in the last few months themselves and saw that it was unplayable for older consoles, or they didn't. In both situations, making the decision to release the game was inevitably lead to a huge mess. Nobody will convince me that it wasn't an economically motivated decision.

I also read somewhere that he said that the testers hadn't reported all the bugs that happened on launch. The thing is that we are not talking about some obscure bug. Anyone that can pickup the controller and play for twenty minutes would have been that the old generation version is unplayable and the new consoles is really not top notch.

And when he says "we're working very hard" what he means is "the team that worked on this project for over seven years, crunched for months and had little say in release the game in such a broken state will continue crunching to fix our mistake".

This whole affair makes me very sad. Not only I like CD Projekt Red as a developer, but this whole fiasco is very, very bad for an already cynical industry when it comes to consumer-developer relationships.

 

[MarkB]

I found the statement interesting because it goes into a bit more on what is behind the issues. A lot of it seems to be related to their "streaming" system that allows them to more or less seamlessly load parts of the map. They probably have to make compromises for available memory, but another factor is the speed of the hard drive. Today I learned that some of the "lastgen" consoles actually can be equipped with an external SSD and that can boost the performance of the game considerably. So if you intend to stay with your console and worry about running out of hard disk space anyway, consider that as an option,it will probably help you for many games.

Yeah, I've got a standard PS4, and you can really see the streaming issue kick in when you use a fast vehicle. I gave up using the Caliburn because it would literally drop through the world sometimes - the road would be loaded in visually, but the physics engine didn't know it was there.

Even just riding a fast bike, if I drive directly to an interior mission location, I have to wait for about ten seconds after I dismount for the door to load in, in stages - first, the basic panel, then the glass, but black, and finally the translucent view of the interior. Then I can open it and walk in.

I'm not planning to stick with my PS4 - I just haven't had an opportunity to purchase a PS5 yet.

I am on my second play-through, this time on a male V with a Nomad origin. It took quite some time until I got used to the voice actor. Fun thing is you can get your Nomad car from the intro back at some point. It's fairly decent, good speed (but other cars are faster). I always try to take it now when I am heading to Panam. On my female V, I really fell in love with the Nomad version of the Quadra-66. Good handling and one of the fastest car in the game IIRC, and it would have been a natural fit for this V, too, but that would be boring.

That was my first playthrough, and while I eventually switched to motorbikes for urban travel, I still always broke out the starter Nomad car when out of town. It's a very competent ride - agile, fast enough, and it handles reasonably off-road.

 

[trappedslider]

Yeah, I've got a standard PS4, and you can really see the streaming issue kick in when you use a fast vehicle. I gave up using the Caliburn because it would literally drop through the world sometimes - the road would be loaded in visually, but the physics engine didn't know it was there.

Even just riding a fast bike, if I drive directly to an interior mission location, I have to wait for about ten seconds after I dismount for the door to load in, in stages - first, the basic panel, then the glass, but black, and finally the translucent view of the interior. Then I can open it and walk in.

huh, I haven't had that issue with cars or bikes...my only issue with vehicles has been hitting stuff that I see and don't avoid lol and going flying off the bike lol. There was on spot on an onramp, I hit the side wall and went flying half way into the next section of night city...lol

 

[chuckdee]

I play on a PC with an SSD and all, so it's not really an issue for me.

I play on PC without an SSD and it's not an issue for me.