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In most cases, IME, the DM either doesn't particularly care about how you're carrying your money around, sort of like with spell component pouches, or if the DM does care (a) you're high enough level where you have magical storage or (b) you're low enough in level where it's figured there'll be room for it in your gear storage.

But, if you really need to know for some reason, 50gp = 1lb of gold, and http://crystalkeep.com/d20/rules/DnD3.5Index-Equipment.pdf has sthe storage capacities for backpacks, pouches, sacks, etc. in the last few pages.

IIRC backpacks have a storage capacity of 60lbs, pouches have 10lb capacity, sacks have 60lb capacity, and varying amounts of cubic foot capacity. Sacks and backpacks have pretty much identical statistics, from what I remember.

The ratios between coins and weight is in the trade goods section in the beginning of the equipment section of the PHB/SRD.

Where else that kind of information can be found, I don't know. Bags of Holding/Handy Haversacks list how much they can hold.

At any rate, the bottom line of the article stated that any given container would fit "about" 4 coins per cubic inch of space. For example, in a small chest measuring 12x6x8 inches, that is 576 cubic inches, which would hold in total about 2304 coins. It went on to compare other space values of other containers and extrapolate how many coins it would fit (ie. a backpack could be expected to hold a wizard's master spellbook, which might reasonably be of a size X by X by X, therefore a backpack's interior space would be Y cubic inches, which finally meant that one could stuff 4Y coins into that backpack.

But of course stuffing all that coinage into a single backpack would exceed the

When I asked the question it was because the party which was relatively low lvl (4-5th I think) did not have any magic appropriate to the situation (bag of holding etc.) and came across the BBEG's treasure room but had not yet defeated the BBEG. So they wanted to grab as much loot as they could carry and run. I knew how much weight they could carry. I knew how many sacks, backpacks, chests and improvised carrying devices they had. But I couldn't really figure out how many coins, gems and object d'art they could take.

When I asked the question here I got a few responses which didn't really answer the question so as a group we arbitrarily made up some reasonable amounts for each item to carry. Since the group was ok with the guesstimates the game moved on and nobody cried about it. Long story short I don't think there is any source out there which will give you much information on this.

576 cubic inches of gold would weigh something like 400 pounds. Your standard backpack definitely will not carry that much. A treasure chest might, but you'll have to add the weight of the chest itself, and it will probably need two people to lug it around. They'll have to worry about how this affects marching order, and movement through difficult spaces, and all kinds of other issues.

I prefer to ignore all the volume calculations and logistical wankery. We assume everyone stuffs coins into their various packs, pouches, bags, and pockets until they reach their weight limit.

AuraSeer said:576 cubic inches of gold would weigh something like 400 pounds. Your standard backpack definitely will not carry that much. A treasure chest might, but you'll have to add the weight of the chest itself, and it will probably need two people to lug it around. They'll have to worry about how this affects marching order, and movement through difficult spaces, and all kinds of other issues.

As for how big is a "sack", I assume a "large sack" is equivalent to a pillowcase. A small sack will range from the size of your dice-bag, to a throw-pillow cover.

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Now the concept of investing in gems and converting cash to "denser" assets makes a lot of sense. 50gp = 1 pound, or one really neat gem that weighs a tenth of that. Sure, it's easier to lose and harder to convert (few merchants will make change for a diamond in most campaigns unless they're also running a jewelry shop) but for logistics alone it's useful.

I like how in Eberron, you have House Kundarak and House Sivis working together to establish a cross-continent banking system based on gold storage and unforgeable letters of credit. But in a campaign without banking, it's got to be a huge pain in the tuchus to cart around that 4,000gp for the local mage to make that masterwork sword of yours into an enchanted weapon.

Going by these rules of thumb for D&D coins, you're right. I calculated based on the density of the metal, and assumed no empty space in the container.Random Axe said:AuraSeer, I get your point and I agree with you about encumbrance limits, but in point of fact, 576 cubic inches of gold, or 2300 gp, according to the 50gp per pound formula, is only 46 pounds, not 400.

A cubic inch of gold weighs about 11 ounces, or 0.69 pounds. Multiply by the size of that chest you mentioned: 576 x 0.69 = 400 pounds.

Your number seems way off to me, probably because it's still based on 1E coinage. A 3E coin is 1/50 of a pound, and in gold that would be about 0.03 cubic inches. No matter how haphazardly you stack them, you'd get far more than 4 per cubic inch. (I think this number makes the gp slightly larger than a US dime, and Google tells me that one can get 45 dimes per cubic inch.)

Of course I'm assuming the coins are pure gold. If you use a 9ct alloy they'll weigh a bit more than half as much per volume-- which is the same as saying you'll get half as many per cubic inch.

Item Cost Empty Weight Holds or Carries

Backpack [1] 2 gp 2 lb. 1 cubic ft./60 lb.

Barrel [2] 2 gp 30 lb. 10 cubic ft./650 lb.

Basket 4 sp 1 lb. 2 cubic ft./20 lb.

Bucket [3] 5 sp 2 lb. 1 cubic ft./65 lb.

Chest 2 gp 25 lb. 2 cubic ft./200 lb.

Pouch, belt 1 gp 1/2 lb. 1/5 cubic ft./10 lb.

Sack [1] 1 sp 1/2 lb. 1 cubic ft./60 lb.

Saddlebags 4 gp 8 lb. 5 cubic ft./250 lb.

Spell component pouch [1] 5 gp 1/4 lb. 1/8 cubic ft./2 lb.

Liquids

Item Cost Empty Weight Holds or Carries

Bottle, wine, glass 2 gp -- 1 1/2 pints/1.5 lb.

Flask 3 cp -- 1 pint/1 lb.

Jug, clay 3 cp 1 lb. 1 gallon/8 lb.

Mug/tankard, clay 2 cp -- 1 pint/1 lb.

Pitcher, clay 2 cp 1 lb. 1/2 gallon/4 lb.

Pot, iron 5 sp 2 lb. 1 gallon/8 lb.

Vial, ink or potion 1 gp -- 1 fluid ounce/--

Waterskin 1 gp -- 1/2 gallon/4 lb.

-- No weight worth mentioning

1. When made for Medium characters. Weighs one-quarter the normal amount when made for Small characters. Weighs twice the normal amount when made for Large characters. Containers carry one-quarter the normal amount when made for Small characters. Rations for small characters weigh one-quarter as much, but also contain only one-quarter of the food and cost one-quarter as much.

2. A barrel filled with liquid holds about 75 gallons or about 300 liters.

3. A bucket filled with liquid holds about 7 gallons or about 30 liters.

Hauling Vehicles

Item Cost Empty Weight Holds or Carries

Cart 15 gp 200 lb. 1/2 ton

Sled 20 gp 300 lb. 1 ton

Wagon 35 gp 400 lb. 2 tons

A packhorse can carry one eighth of a ton.

A horse-drawn cart or wagon can carry five-eighths of a ton on soft roads, and up to two tons on a good road.

A barge pulled by a horse can carry 30 tons on a river or 50 tons on a canal.

This came from somewhere on the web and was created by one of the game designers.

Edit: Put some spaces in there somewhere. I don't know how to do that yet.

Kae'Yoss said:All I know is that a portable hole can hold 282.743 cubic feet or 270,729 US Fluid Ounces or 8006.4 Liters of beer!

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I wonder were I can get one of those...

4 Honda Civics worth of brew ... that, is a helluva a lot of Sam Adams... always a good decision...green slime said:8tonsof beer!! Wow.

I wonder were I can get one of those...

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this Rules of the Game article says that 280 cubic feet of space (i.e. a portable hole) holds about 100,000 standard coins or 2,100 gallons of water (implying 357 coins per cubic foot, which seems far too low).

Anyone care to check my work?

Web links are fun!

576 cubic inches of pure gold should weigh in at a little over 401 pounds.

There's going to be some stacking problems, but I don't see how those could really get to more than 25% wasted space.

AnonymousOne said:4 Honda Civics worth of brew

I knew that the BigMac was a standard unit for measurement (seriously, read up on the BicMac Index BMI!), but the Civic is new

Yeah. I seem to recall that being mentioned in an older thread. I only mentioned it here for completeness (i.e. it was the only WotC source that I found) but I did label it as incorrect. Thanks for the more correct estimates.AuraSeer said:that RotG article is off by more than a little bit.

Note: I noticed a few (less major) calculation errors in the other article I mentioned also, but it still has useful information

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