So sell me on the Arcane Trickster...

[Thanee]

Dunno, I think Improved Familiar is more of a waste, personally.

But if you like it, hey it's cool, just do it!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Skaros]

Re: thanks

Thanks for all the replies- I was already pretty sold, but hadn't done a thorough comparison yet. I reckoned many of you already had, and lo! you did.

My Wiz5/Rog2 is taking Wiz up to 7th (he wants an air mephit familiar) then one more lvl in Rog and he's qualified. Might be a bit late, but a familiar who fast heals just by fanning itself with its wings, flies perfectly, and has a breath weapon certainly doesn't suck.

Well, 2 more levels in rogue anyway...as has been pointed out (I was corrected as well), you need lvl 4 rogue to get your rogue-exclusive skill up to 7 ranks.

-Skaros

 

[Iku Rex]

...you only have to take 3 levels of rogue to get the exclusive skill up to 7 ranks by taking a level in loremaster prestige class, ...

You can also get that last skill point with a level of assassin (death attack, extra 1d6 sneak) or shadowdancer (hide in plain sight). And by taking one level of rogue and one level of assassin you can "get away with" loosing only two caster levels.

 

[Thanee]

You can also get that last skill point with a level of assassin (death attack, extra 1d6 sneak) or shadowdancer (hide in plain sight). And by taking one level of rogue and one level of assassin you can "get away with" loosing only two caster levels.

How exactly will one level of rogue and one level of assassin allow 7 ranks in decipher script?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Iku Rex]

How exactly will one level of rogue and one level of assassin allow 7 ranks in decipher script?

Loremaster.

 

[Thanee]

Ah, I see. Rogue/Wizard/Assassin/Loremaster/Arcane Trickster!

BTW, Quidam, I don't think you need to increase your Wizard level to take the Improved Familiar. Having Caster Level 7 should be sufficient!

Bye
Thanee

 

[Chun-tzu]

Wow. Rogue 1/Wizard 5/Assassin 1/Loremaster 2/Arcane Trickster x.

I don't have a huge problem with the power gaming aspect of this combo, as long as the player remains reasonably consistent in his character portrayal and the classes can all be seen as reflective of different aspects of this character's interests, history, etc.

This particular combo, however, requires the character be NE or CE (assassins must be evil, arcane tricksters must be non-lawful). And IMHO neither of those alignments is appropriate for most parties, or for PCs in most campaigns. The "used to be evil but is not anymore" doesn't work for me, becuase that's not being consistent in the character portrayal; it smacks heavily of munchkinism (I'll be temporarily evil to get this PrC, and then change back).

 

[Corlon]

wait a second

I thought it was 3rd level rogue...
In skills it says that if you have a class wiht exclusive skills, then other classes can get it cross class, I believe, am I wrong?

If I am, my GM doesn't have to know that

 

[Thanee]

Wow. Rogue 1/Wizard 5/Assassin 1/Loremaster 2/Arcane Trickster x.

This particular combo, however, requires the character be NE or CE (assassins must be evil, arcane tricksters must be non-lawful). And IMHO neither of those alignments is appropriate for most parties, or for PCs in most campaigns. The "used to be evil but is not anymore" doesn't work for me, becuase that's not being consistent in the character portrayal; it smacks heavily of munchkinism (I'll be temporarily evil to get this PrC, and then change back).

I guess a ring of mindshielding and a good bluff skill won't work, eh?

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Re: wait a second

I thought it was 3rd level rogue...
In skills it says that if you have a class wiht exclusive skills, then other classes can get it cross class, I believe, am I wrong?

That's a house rule we use, which I posted a few times, maybe you confuse it with that!

Bye
Thanee